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Old 17-11-2020, 13:15   #3511
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Old 17-11-2020, 13:19   #3512
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Old 17-11-2020, 13:23   #3513
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Dear god no.

Well failing that, Dominic Cummings has some time on his hands next year and is good at winning difficult campaigns. More importantly, he is skilled at driving long distances without the need for toilet breaks.
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Old 17-11-2020, 17:32   #3514
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That assumes an independent Scotland wouldn't use a single macroeconomic lever to increase tax receipts and investment.

It also assumes the UK tax system is perfectly optimised for investment and returns. Which isn't what the Conservative Party think.

There isn't a single small country in the world that looks at it's bigger neighbour and models it's tax and spending system on it.

Jfman, serious question, does the above mean that the hardworking people of Scotland will be taxed to death to pay for independence?
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Old 17-11-2020, 17:36   #3515
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Jfman, serious question, does the above mean that the hardworking people of Scotland will be taxed to death to pay for independence?
The other direction? Perhaps it might reduce Corporation Tax to attract British companies with substantial assets in Scotland like Diageo to relocate its tax domicile there. The Irish model.

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I'm thinking he's suggesting it might reduce Corporation Tax to attract British companies with substantial assets in Scotland like Diageo to relocate there HQ there. The Irish model.
Ah ok, thx, Andrew.
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Old 17-11-2020, 17:50   #3517
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Jfman, serious question, does the above mean that the hardworking people of Scotland will be taxed to death to pay for independence?
The Scots, if independent, would have to create wealth in order for taxes to be yielded.

If they go independent, Scotland would be so far up shit creek nix paddle like you've never seen.

Money that doesn't go to Scotland will be available to improve services in England and Wales. This is becoming ever more attractive!

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Ah ok, thx, Andrew.
It could go both ways. Andrew has made one proposal - often cited by neo-liberal and conservatives that lower taxation causes inward investment and greater tax receipts (the reverse of capital flight if you put taxes up).

Other countries - like the Nordic countries - have public expenditure closer to 50% of GDP, and routinely come at the top of any worldwide measure of satisfaction within society.

The mantra of cutting back to a shell of a state with private sector companies siphoning off billions a year in profits for public utilities is one we've been sold but not a unique way to structure a happier, wealthier society.

I'm sure these competing arguments would make for a healthy debate in an independent Scotland with the constitutional question behind it.

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Old 17-11-2020, 21:10   #3519
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The other direction? Perhaps it might reduce Corporation Tax to attract British companies with substantial assets in Scotland like Diageo to relocate its tax domicile there. The Irish model.
Ooh%! a Tax haven off the coast the EU! They donít like that?
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Ooh%! a Tax haven off the coast the EU! They donít like that?
EU is surrounded by tax havens.
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EU is surrounded by tax havens.
If this forum is certain of anything it's that it doesn't care what the EU think.
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If this forum is certain of anything it's that it doesn't care what the EU think.
Correct, stuff the EU.
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Correct, stuff the EU.
They should do cable forum t-shirts that say 'stuff.EU' on the front as a branding. Alternative versions available for 'make election counting great again' and 'THE END (OF LINEAR) IS NIGH!'

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Correct, stuff the EU.
Show a little respect to your future lords and masters as Scotland will probably be joining the EU after Indy Ref 2.

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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Sir Keir will use his speech on Monday to confirm the setting up of a constitutional commission, advised by former prime minister Gordon Brown, to deliver a "fresh and tangible offer" to the Scottish people.

"It is Labour's duty to offer a positive alternative to the Scottish people. To show that you don't have to choose between a broken status quo and the uncertainty and divisiveness of separatism," he is expected to say.

"Boris Johnson isn't Britain just as Nicola Sturgeon isn't Scotland.

"The United Kingdom is much more than that, more than any individual. It has been before - and can be again - a great force for social justice, for security and for solidarity."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-55384938
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