SD : Talking Pictures in trouble again for broadcasting words offensive to black people.

[Stephen]

I am not saying things offend me but just that I get why some people would see things that way.

I watched a programme on ch5 last year called 'It was ok in the 70s' and showing old clips to the people that starred in them. Even they couldn't believe what they saw and were amazed they could get away with that sort of thing. Rascist and very sexist content.

[Horizon]

As I had to sack a mod on my site a month ago over the use of a "outdated" word, this is a hot issue for me...

As jj20x was trying to explain, society moves on and Ofcom is bound by the rules of today not yesterday.

I think with these old films (or shows) the way to go about them is not to ban them, but to put a clear warning up on the screen that the films/shows use language which is deemed unacceptable and in some cases, illegal, and so its up to the viewer whether they view them or not.

And before someone says it, I'm not a snowflake. Like most people, I believe, I can be as racist, sexist etc as the next person, but what one thinks and then writes down on a internet site, are two different things.

Think whatever you like, but be careful what you write. Or even, be careful as to what smilies you use now, as some can become "outdated" too...

[Hom3r]

The classic film dub is the dog in the Dam Busters.

In the oringinal it was called "N-Word" but TV dubbed it badly to Trigger.

With the remake in the pipe line its a dammed if yo do dammed if you don't scenario.

So the chose the other name used Nigsy.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The classic film dub is the dog in the Dam Busters.

In the oringinal it was called "N-Word" but TV dubbed it badly to Trigger.

With the remake in the pipe line its a dammed if yo do dammed if you don't scenario.

So the chose the other name used Nigsy.

Like it or not historically the dogs name was nigger. I may not condone the use of the word but whitewashing history does no-one any favours.

[Horizon]

That's true, but sometimes history should stay history.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Horizon

That's true, but sometimes history should stay history.

So no-one can be educated then? Without history how can anyone learn?

Originally Posted by Horizon

Think whatever you like, but be careful what you write.

On "your" site especially it would appear.

[ozsat]

You can see the PC brigade going to RAF Skampton to dig up the dog's grave to again re-write history - or even exorcise hias ghost.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So no-one can be educated then? Without history how can anyone learn?

Exactly. It would be like whitewashing what Hitler did or replacing the word Nigger each time black people were called it in Roots.

They were called it and it needs to be exposed and remembered.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

The classic film dub is the dog in the Dam Busters.

In the oringinal it was called "N-Word" but TV dubbed it badly to Trigger.

With the remake in the pipe line its a dammed if yo do dammed if you don't scenario.

So the chose the other name used Nigsy.

I appreciate that saying the N word is an attempt to be polite, but it always leaves me scratching my head.

Gay people were called Queers, but we don't say "the Q word", disabled people were called Spastics, but we don't say "the S word", women were referred to as "Bitches", but we don't say "the B word" etc

Racial insults shouldn't be put on a pedestal and treated as if they are somehow more offensive than what other groups have been exposed to.

Secondly, when someone writes or says the N word, our brain works out what is meant and our neurological pathways lead to what was meant anyway!

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Originally Posted by Horizon

As I had to sack a mod on my site a month ago over the use of a "outdated" word, this is a hot issue for me...

As jj20x was trying to explain, society moves on and Ofcom is bound by the rules of today not yesterday.

I think with these old films (or shows) the way to go about them is not to ban them, but to put a clear warning up on the screen that the films/shows use language which is deemed unacceptable and in some cases, illegal, and so its up to the viewer whether they view them or not.

And before someone says it, I'm not a snowflake. Like most people, I believe, I can be as racist, sexist etc as the next person, but what one thinks and then writes down on a internet site, are two different things.

Think whatever you like, but be careful what you write. Or even, be careful as to what smilies you use now, as some can become "outdated" too...

I accept that people cannot simply type whatever floats into their head onto the internet and that this could lead to action being taken against them.

Typing out racial insults to purposely upset a person or persons, incite racial hatred or committing a public order offence would be illegal, but I don't believe that a discussion like this would be found to be illegal. Even Ofcom found it necessary to state the words used when dealing with the complaints.

So, it depends on what context your moderator used the word as to whether you were being oversensitive or not.

I'm not sure which smilies you mean; how on Earth can a smilie be racist??

[heero_yuy]

Quote from RichardCoulter:



So, it depends on what context your moderator used the word as to whether you were being oversensitive or not.

It is a cultural difference: The word is totally unacceptable in any context in Europe and the USA but apparently is is common use in South Africa and there is not considered as an insult.

It is in the swear filter on this site and has been added to ours.

I'm not sure which smilies you mean; how on Earth can a smilie be racist??

Used in the wrong context. There's probably some others.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It is a cultural difference: The word is totally unacceptable in any context in Europe and the USA but apparently is is common use in South Africa and there is not considered as an insult.

It is in the swear filter on this site and has been added to ours.



Used in the wrong context. There's probably some others.

Funny, that. I just saw that emoji as a guy having a problem balancing, to be used to depict someone with a dodgy argument, skating on thin ice, etc.

Didn't notice he was black until I wondered what you meant by it.

Frankly, that's no more racially offensive that a white guy doing exactly the same thing. Could be sexist, though, because he's quite obviously male!

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Old Boy:


Funny, that. I just saw that emoji as a guy having a problem balancing, to be used to depict someone with a dodgy argument, skating on thin ice, etc.

Didn't notice he was black until I wondered what you meant by it.

Frankly, that's no more racially offensive that a white guy doing exactly the same thing. Could be sexist, though, because he's quite obviously male!

Hover your mouse pointer over it. Says monkey.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It is a cultural difference: The word is totally unacceptable in any context in Europe and the USA but apparently is is common use in South Africa and there is not considered as an insult.

It is in the swear filter on this site and has been added to ours.



Used in the wrong context. There's probably some others.

There was recently a case where a black child wore a T shirt with the words 'coolest monkey in the jungle' whilst modelling for H&M, which they had to apologise for:

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/...-monkey-hoodie

His (black) mother said she didn't see anything wrong with it.

It was commonplace to call children of all colours a 'cheeky monkey's when I was a child, perhaps that's now deemed racist?? It could be argued that those who take offence are the racist people as they are alikening black children to monkeys!

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It is a cultural difference: The word is totally unacceptable in any context in Europe and the USA but apparently is is common use in South Africa and there is not considered as an insult.

It is in the swear filter on this site and has been added to ours.

Used in the wrong context. There's probably some others.

The word 'Paki' is deemed racist here too, but perfectly acceptable in America. IIRC an American politician used it over here in all innocence and shocked those around him.

So, it seems that it's not only who says certain words, but where in the world they are said!

I was taken aback when a group of black lads were calling each other Niggers in a bar, but when discreetly mentioning bit to the landlord he said that it wouldn't be ok for a white person to say it to them and that what they were actually saying was 'Nigga', I'm not sure what difference that makes though. To me either a word is acceptable or it isn't.

Some gay people refer to themselves as 'Queer' and justify it by saying that they have reclaimed the word.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

There was recently a case where a black child wore a T shirt with the words 'coolest monkey in the jungle' whilst modelling for H&M, which they had to apologise for:

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/...-monkey-hoodie

His (black) mother said she didn't see anything wrong with it.

It was commonplace to call children of all colours a 'cheeky monkey's when I was a child, perhaps that's now deemed racist?? It could be argued that those who take offence are the racist people as they are alikening black children to monkeys!

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The word 'Paki' is deemed racist here too, but perfectly acceptable in America. IIRC an American politician used it over here in all innocence and shocked those around him.

So, it seems that it's not only who says certain words, but where in the world they are said!

I was taken aback when a group of black lads were calling each other Niggers in a bar, but when discreetly mentioning bit to the landlord he said that it wouldn't be ok for a white person to say it to them and that what they were actually saying was 'Nigga', I'm not sure what difference that makes though. To me either a word is acceptable or it isn't.

Some gay people refer to themselves as 'Queer' and justify it by saying that they have reclaimed the word.

As I previously posted, context is all - as Charles M. Blow wrote

MY father’s name is William Paul Coates. I, like my six brothers and sisters, have always addressed him as Dad. Strangers often call him Mr. Coates. His friends call him Paul. If a stranger or one of my father’s friends called him Dad, my father might have a conversation. When I was a child, relatives of my paternal grandmother would call my father Billy. Were I to ever call my father Billy, we would probably have a different conversation.

I have never called my father Billy. I understand, like most people, that words take on meaning within a context. It might be true that you refer to your spouse as Baby. But were I to take this as license to do the same, you would most likely protest. Right names depend on right relationships, a fact so basic to human speech that without it, human language might well collapse...

...A few summers ago one of my best friends invited me up to what he affectionately called his “white-trash cabin” in the Adirondacks. This was not how I described the outing to my family. Two of my Jewish acquaintances once joked that I’d “make a good Jew.” My retort was not, “Yeah, I certainly am good with money.” Gay men sometimes laughingly refer to one another as “******s.” My wife and her friends sometimes, when having a good time, will refer to one another with the word “bitch.” I am certain that should I decide to join in, I would invite the same hard conversation that would greet me, should I ever call my father Billy.

Regarding the N word and the usage of the word Queer, have you ever considered that it may be the people who were denigrated by the usage of the term(s) taking back the word, and empowering themselves by using it within their groups.

You said either a word is acceptable or it isn't, but that's a very simplistic view - you would never have been called the N word or Queer as an insult (or probably in any way) as you are neither, so who are you to tell someone who has had it used against them how they should use it - I know lots of Yorkshiremen who call each their Yorkshire friends "you tight barsteward", but if someone who they didn't know from London said it, they might take offence.

As I said, context is all, and like life, not black and white - ymmv.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Hover your mouse pointer over it. Says monkey.

I was often called a monkey when I was a child. Nothing wrong with that.

Or should I have been offended? Should it even have ruined my life?

Perhaps I should get compensation.....

That's how ridiculous we are all becoming. We need to all man up. Oops....