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Old 15-06-2018, 18:15   #3046
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Re: Brexit discussion

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I didn't bother taking much notice of the previous post when I saw it was quoted from 'The Sun'
They cheer-lead for the nationalists more than even the Daily Mail..I suppose we both can't stand them, but for different reasons?

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Anyway, if you really want May 'to quit whining, grow a pair and be competent at her job' then you shouldn't moan if she does grow a pair and tells the EU to get lost.
Did I ever moan about such a thing though? I like it when she does - the really fun part is the end where the reciprocal approach is "no" from the EU. (I would say "most enjoyable, but that is too much cringe).

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She could also tell the 'dissenters' to shut up or she'll replace them with Pro Brexit people . . the door is over there . . .
She could always try - I would like to see that outcome...you know, when they topple her government in return?

They only don't to see what they get out of her...plus the fear of a Corbyn government.

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Not that she's stupid enough to do either of those, because she knows she'll get slammed by the public & media for being 'a bully strong character'
Uh huh? Like when she tries, someone smacks her back and then she plays the gender card / claims that it is sexist? I would love to see her try do either of those things, see if she has it in her.

Nobody called Thatcher a bully, did they? (Or did they - I was a bit young for that).

Strength is exactly that - what May is, is nothing of the sort. She is weak.

Being a bully is not proposing something to the EU, then running scared because they smacked you back, like the last 18 months or so for May. Then claim that they are being the bullies while you claim that you were strong. Give me a break.

I don't know why Ken Clarke called her a bloody difficult woman (she can't even get the first part of that correct) ; the moderates of her party (the likes of Soubry and co) can't stand her, the hardcore right (The likes of Redwood / Mogg etc have said they have doubts in her), the populists like Johnson are looking to replace her.

Not one person will ever accuse her of being a bully. She is a victim. One of life's proverbial self martyred attention seeking victims.
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Old 16-06-2018, 12:52   #3047
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Nobody called Thatcher a bully, did they? (Or did they - I was a bit young for that).
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Old 16-06-2018, 13:20   #3048
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Being a bully is not proposing something to the EU, then running scared because they smacked you back, like the last 18 months or so for May. Then claim that they are being the bullies while you claim that you were strong. Give me a break.
Nailed it. I hope the reality of the matter is starting to sink in with the country but I fear some are still in Narnia.
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Old 16-06-2018, 16:14   #3049
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I hope the reality of the matter is starting to sink in with the country but I fear some are still in Narnia.
I think that's absolutely spot on Andrew, the reality is that the UK is leaving the EU, some however still find it a difficult notion to grasp
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Old 16-06-2018, 16:34   #3050
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Re: Brexit discussion

I have decided to cross the road.

Looking around, I see a lorry coming towards me, but having decided to cross the road, I will not let any obstacles, no matter how dangerous, stop me crossing the road - any pain I suffer will be worth it in the long term, as long as I have achieved my goal.

It doesn't matter that no one mentioned lorries were going to intersect my path when I made my decision, the important thing is I do not let relevant current information which was not available at the time I decided to cross the rooad which might validly affect what I am trying to do change my mind.

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Old 16-06-2018, 17:12   #3051
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I have decided to cross the road.

Looking around, I see a lorry coming towards me, but having decided to cross the road, I will not let any obstacles, no matter how dangerous, stop me crossing the road - any pain I suffer will be worth it in the long term, as long as I have achieved my goal.

It doesn't matter that no one mentioned lorries were going to intersect my path when I made my decision, the important thing is I do not let relevant current information which was not available at the time I decided to cross the rooad which might validly affect what I am trying to do change my mind.

Excellent approach to life.
i have decided to block your path because i think you are incapable of making a rational decision .
And i have decided to chain you to this side of the road for your own good, it's much nicer on this side and i don't think you need to see what it's like on the other side.
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Old 16-06-2018, 18:18   #3052
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I have crossed the road

I am a chicken

Nobody really knows why I crossed the road

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Old 17-06-2018, 00:36   #3053
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I have crossed the road

I am a chicken

Nobody really knows why I crossed the road

Some philosophically claim the chicken crossing the road is about suicide, possibly a good analogy for this thread topic to

https://www.esquire.com/uk/life/news...the-road-joke/
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Old 17-06-2018, 12:07   #3054
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I have decided to cross the road.

Looking around, I see a lorry coming towards me, but having decided to cross the road, I will not let any obstacles, no matter how dangerous, stop me crossing the road - any pain I suffer will be worth it in the long term, as long as I have achieved my goal.

It doesn't matter that no one mentioned lorries were going to intersect my path when I made my decision, the important thing is I do not let relevant current information which was not available at the time I decided to cross the rooad which might validly affect what I am trying to do change my mind.

Excellent approach to life.
Terrible pessimistic analogy.

People cross the road every day and many many people, make it to the other side, there is no lorry coming, no impending doom, no risk to injury. I call it successful optimism; I plan to cross the road, check for risks, no risks, I then cross, I am now on the other side. Positive outcome & Success.

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Dr Philips the MP who resigned earlier in the week over the meaningful vote in parliament row (or what I call Remainers trying to stop Brexit with the meaningful vote), his Constituency (Of which over 50% voted leave) has sent nearly 100 letters of complaint... The chair of Dr Philip Lee's local Conservative Association told Sky News, he's had nearly 100 letters & emails complaining about his decision to resign and only one in favour.

Source. Sophie Ridge on Sunday (Sky News).

I thought us Brexiteers were suppose to be changing our minds over Brexit? #IStillWantToLeaveEU

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Seems like the suggestion of giving the NHS the funds we give to EU Membership is going to go ahead after all...

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...r-nhs-11407445
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The Brexit dividend tosh was expected but treats the public as fools. Sad to see Govt slide to populist arguments rather than evidence on such an important issue. This will make it harder to have a rational debate about the ‘who & how’ of funding & sharing this fairly.



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New piece on the NHS Brexit dividend. It does not exist. In fact we would need to spend £1bn a year more just to compensate NHS staff for the higher prices already seen since the referendum. http://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-brexit-divi...form=hootsuite
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Absolute rubbish. More fear mongering crap from that MP who is one of the rebels trying to thwart Brexit - she will lose.
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It's obviously not a Brexit dividend but who cares as long as the money is coming. Looks like tax raises in the budget are a-coming though
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It's obviously not a Brexit dividend but who cares as long as the money is coming. Looks like tax raises in the budget are a-coming though
exactly
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Terrible pessimistic analogy.

People cross the road every day and many many people, make it to the other side, there is no lorry coming, no impending doom, no risk to injury. I call it successful optimism; I plan to cross the road, check for risks, no risks, I then cross, I am now on the other side. Positive outcome & Success.

---------- Post added at 10:41 ---------- Previous post was at 10:03 ----------

Dr Philips the MP who resigned earlier in the week over the meaningful vote in parliament row (or what I call Remainers trying to stop Brexit with the meaningful vote), his Constituency (Of which over 50% voted leave) has sent nearly 100 letters of complaint... The chair of Dr Philip Lee's local Conservative Association told Sky News, he's had nearly 100 letters & emails complaining about his decision to resign and only one in favour.

Source. Sophie Ridge on Sunday (Sky News).

I thought us Brexiteers were suppose to be changing our minds over Brexit? #IStillWantToLeaveEU

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Seems like the suggestion of giving the NHS the funds we give to EU Membership is going to go ahead after all...

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...r-nhs-11407445
It was allegory, not an analogy...

Successful optimism” = "Something magic will happen, don't worry".

You can dispute the law of gravity, but it doesn’t care when you step off the cliff if you believe in it or not...
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It's obviously not a Brexit dividend but who cares as long as the money is coming. Looks like tax raises in the budget are a-coming though
And the clever little stealth tax rises they will hide in the obfuscation of the small print..
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