18-09-2020, 11:26
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The Invisible Woman
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Re: Coronavirus
I don't care much until I see the idiots who wear their mask UNDER their nose. Then I'm ready to go ballistic. So far I have controlled myself.
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18-09-2020, 11:27
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#5702
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Perfect Soldier
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Re: Coronavirus
People seem pretty compliant round here. Even if I just pop into the newsagent for a paper I still put one on.
Downside is that the disposable ones are appearing as street litter and God knows how many tonnes of them are going into landfill.
I bought us a pack of reusable machine wash ones (white) so at least we won't be adding to the waste mountain.
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18-09-2020, 11:27
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#5703
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
It might be worth remembering that not everyone has to wear a mask,some people are exempt, so perhaps instead of whining about who isn't wearing one people should mind their own business, just a thought
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No one is whining at all as l certainly ain't going to be going up to somebody to tell them to put a mask on.
Its a personal decision at the end of the day.
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18-09-2020, 12:00
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#5704
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Architect of Ideas
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Re: Coronavirus
Some people are legitimately exempt but I suspect there’s many more Covid deniers who perceive it to be the Government trying to put them in a muzzle. Ironically, it’s these idiots making it worse, and dragging it out for longer.
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18-09-2020, 12:24
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Re: Coronavirus
Stricter Covid 19 restrictions imposed in Lancashire, Merseyside and Warrington.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-in-lancashire
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The measures, which will come into force on Tuesday, will prohibit residents in 17 council areas from meeting others outside their support bubbles and include a 10pm curfew on nightlife. Blackpool is the only area in the county which will be exempt from the restrictions.
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18-09-2020, 12:40
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Unfortunately, as hospital admissions and death rates follow on from infection in a 2 to 4 week cycle, and if the infection rate gets back to doubling every 3 or 4 days, by the time you see the effects, it’s too late...
It’s like only applying your brakes after you’ve hit someone, rather than when you saw them beginning to cross the road.
Epidemiologists - what do they know?
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but there was evidence in the Oldham areas that had extra restrictions imposed many weeks ago, that although infection rates were up, hospital admissions and deaths remained low.
I know it's a difficult call when to pull the trigger, and if you leave it it may to late.
Personally, I'd like to see it play out a bit longer.
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18-09-2020, 12:43
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
but there was evidence in the Oldham areas that had extra restrictions imposed many weeks ago, that although infection rates were up, hospital admissions and deaths remained low.
I know it's a difficult call when to pull the trigger, and if you leave it it may to late.
Personally, I'd like to see it play out a bit longer.
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The good news is the key decision makers have more evidence available to them than just Oldham and can make better decisions than you would by playing fast and loose during exponential spread.
Sky reporting lockdown 2 could start next week in England. Clearly the alarm bells are ringing in Westminster.
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18-09-2020, 12:44
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Some people are legitimately exempt but I suspect there’s many more Covid deniers who perceive it to be the Government trying to put them in a muzzle. Ironically, it’s these idiots making it worse, and dragging it out for longer.
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I happily wear a mask and most do, but let's not forget that the mask rule was brought in as a placebo and non of our Scientific advisors thought they made any significant difference.
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18-09-2020, 12:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
I happily wear a mask and most do, but let's not forget that the mask rule was brought in as a placebo and non of our Scientific advisors thought they made any significant difference.
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This was never genuinely the case. Having seen every idiot and their dog stockpile toilet roll they were keen to ensure that appropriate PPE was prioritised to healthcare settings.
The science clearly supports masks. It always has. The British public couldn’t be trusted to be asked not to stockpile. So they downplayed the evidence.
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18-09-2020, 12:47
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
The good news is the key decision makers have more evidence available to them than just Oldham and can make better decisions than you would by playing fast and loose during exponential spread.
Sky reporting lockdown 2 could start next week in England. Clearly the alarm bells are ringing in Westminster.
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Apparently Nicola Sturgeon has asked Boris Johnson to convene a Cobra meeting this weekend as she said that the coming days are likely to see some hard but necessary decisions.
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18-09-2020, 12:49
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by denphone
Apparently Nicola Sturgeon has asked Boris Johnson to convene a Cobra meeting this weekend as she said that the coming days are likely to see some hard but necessary decisions.
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Hopefully I can still fly out of the country for a few days.
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18-09-2020, 12:50
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
This was never genuinely the case. Having seen every idiot and their dog stockpile toilet roll they were keen to ensure that appropriate PPE was prioritised to healthcare settings.
The science clearly supports masks. It always has. The British public couldn’t be trusted to be asked not to stockpile. So they downplayed the evidence.
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Can you please link to the evidence that evidence was downplayed re masks.
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Originally Posted by jfman
Hopefully I can still fly out of the country for a few days.
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Stay away as long as you like
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18-09-2020, 13:15
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#5713
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Re: Coronavirus
Nobody is ever going to publish that they wilfully mislead the public, but our advice was clearly contradictory to scientific evidence being applied elsewhere.
I’m not saying it was a bad decision. But I suspect that’s closer to the mark than it being an ineffective placebo. I think the position was then that it gave people confidence to not socially distance etc.
The official position then of course was stay home, protect the NHS, save lives. Masks giving people more confidence to go out was unwanted strategically.
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18-09-2020, 13:20
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
This was never genuinely the case. Having seen every idiot and their dog stockpile toilet roll they were keen to ensure that appropriate PPE was prioritised to healthcare settings.
The science clearly supports masks. It always has. The British public couldn’t be trusted to be asked not to stockpile. So they downplayed the evidence.
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You have a wonderful imagination.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...420-sage24.pdf
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This review found mixed and low quality evidence on the use of face masks to prevent community transmission of respiratory illness
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https://theconversation.com/coronavi...idarity-138461
this article is well balanced but still show the science is not 100%, and therefore does not "clearly support masks"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...virus-science/
As i said, the introduction of masks was purely a mental placebo, that would make people not as scared to venture out.
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18-09-2020, 13:29
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Re: Coronavirus
From your first link:
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Please note: This review was conducted very quickly, and as such has the following weaknesses: full text screening, extracted data and quality assessment were not checked by a second reviewer, thus introducing a risk of bias. We will continue to update and refine this review going forward.
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The legendary line that the previous research was conducted “in very different contexts from the UK” is also a classic. Do we breathe differently in the UK?
Essentially this is “research” to support a Government position at the time, that even it knows is flawed but suggests more research to buy more time - to resolve supply issues.
Another to file alongside “multi generational households in Italy” and “it’ll go away in the summer”.
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