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[papa smurf]

Israel’s war in Gaza amounts to genocide, Amnesty International report finds
Human rights group says Israel ‘brazenly, continuously and with total impunity … unleashed hell’ on strip’s 2.3m population



Israel’s war in Gaza amounts to genocide, Amnesty International report finds
Human rights group says Israel ‘brazenly, continuously and with total impunity … unleashed hell’ on strip’s 2.3m population

Guardian international staff
Thu 5 Dec 2024 00.01 GMT
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A report from Amnesty International alleges that Israel’s war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip constitutes the crime of genocide under international law, the first such determination by a major human rights organisation in the 14-month-old conflict.

The 32-page report examining events in Gaza between October 2023 to July 2024, published on Thursday, found that Israel had “brazenly, continuously and with total impunity … unleashed hell” on the strip’s 2.3 million population, noting that the “atrocity crimes” against Israelis by Hamas on 7 October 2023, which triggered the war, “do not justify genocide”.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-report-finds

Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, but Amnesty International also thinks feminism means believing men can be women, so their stock isn’t exactly at an all time high right now.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, but Amnesty International also thinks feminism means believing men can be women, so their stock isn’t exactly at an all time high right now.

So due to your interpretation of their stance on trans rights, you doubt the veracity of their report on the ongoing war crimes in Gaza. Interesting mental gymnastics ...

Originally Posted by ianch99

So due to your interpretation of their stance on trans rights, you doubt the veracity of their report on the ongoing war crimes in Gaza. Interesting mental gymnastics ...

Pretty much, yes.

Amnesty has a clearly identifiable political stance. An organisation like that ought to be agnostic but its alignment with the ‘progressive’ hard left is obvious.

There are other organisations whose assessments of what’s going on in Gaza I would take seriously, but right now, Amnesty’s underlying politics are such that I find it safer to disregard them.

Also, it’s not my interpretation of their stance that’s the issue with regards to so-called ‘trans’ issues. It’s black and white. It campaigns for any person of any age, to have their ‘true’ gender legally recognised. Leaving aside the fact that genderism is from the outset grounded in extremely flaky pseudo-science, that amounts to a charter for the destruction of women’s rights as well as any hope of effective child safeguarding. Amnesty is a mess. Avoid.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Pretty much, yes.

Amnesty has a clearly identifiable political stance. An organisation like that ought to be agnostic but its alignment with the ‘progressive’ hard left is obvious.

There are other organisations whose assessments of what’s going on in Gaza I would take seriously, but right now, Amnesty’s underlying politics are such that I find it safer to disregard them.

Also, it’s not my interpretation of their stance that’s the issue with regards to so-called ‘trans’ issues. It’s black and white. It campaigns for any person of any age, to have their ‘true’ gender legally recognised. Leaving aside the fact that genderism is from the outset grounded in extremely flaky pseudo-science, that amounts to a charter for the destruction of women’s rights as well as any hope of effective child safeguarding. Amnesty is a mess. Avoid.

I sense that your politics is the lens through which you view this issue, not the veracity of their findings or the facts on the ground. Either what they report is correct or not. Disregarding their findings because the wider organisation do not align with your political world view is strange at best.

[papa smurf]

Amazing a discussion about alleged genocide turns into a debate on who has a penis, talk about deflection

[jfman]

There’s nothing “progressive hard left” about the observation Israel are committing a genocide. To claim otherwise fails tbe “what if it was Putin?” test.

The only reason I don’t continue to make the observation - a position I’ve held for months given the obvious falsehoods of Israeli propaganda (we don’t bomb hospitals, 40 beheaded babies etc) is previously it was routinely censored on this forum. One year on I wonder if this post survives.

[Itshim]

Just a thought nothing more . During the IRAs campaign in the UK.Should the UK have bombed Dublin and other known locations.

No…

The IRA/PIRA/etc. were/are banned organisations in Ireland, and have nothing to do with the Irish Government.

The U.K. Government might as well have bombed Digbeth, The Gorbals, most of Liverpool, Ancoats, Kilburn & Islington, with all the Irish/Irish descended living there…

[jfman]

Whether Hamas are banned (or not) in the shell of a Palestinian state that Israel occupies is irrelevant as to whether the destruction of it, it’s hospitals, it’s schools, it’s mosques, it’s churches, it’s museums and the displacement of 2 million people are justified.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Amazing a discussion about alleged genocide turns into a debate on who has a penis, talk about deflection

So true ...

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Just a thought nothing more . During the IRAs campaign in the UK.Should the UK have bombed Dublin and other known locations.

Ah but you wrote down your thought

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Israel’s war in Gaza amounts to genocide, Amnesty International report finds
Human rights group says Israel ‘brazenly, continuously and with total impunity … unleashed hell’ on strip’s 2.3m population



Israel’s war in Gaza amounts to genocide, Amnesty International report finds
Human rights group says Israel ‘brazenly, continuously and with total impunity … unleashed hell’ on strip’s 2.3m population

Guardian international staff
Thu 5 Dec 2024 00.01 GMT
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A report from Amnesty International alleges that Israel’s war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip constitutes the crime of genocide under international law, the first such determination by a major human rights organisation in the 14-month-old conflict.

The 32-page report examining events in Gaza between October 2023 to July 2024, published on Thursday, found that Israel had “brazenly, continuously and with total impunity … unleashed hell” on the strip’s 2.3 million population, noting that the “atrocity crimes” against Israelis by Hamas on 7 October 2023, which triggered the war, “do not justify genocide”.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-report-finds

Well…….they don’t get to decide. Their opinion holds as much weight as anyone’s on here.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

I sense that your politics is the lens through which you view this issue, not the veracity of their findings or the facts on the ground. Either what they report is correct or not. Disregarding their findings because the wider organisation do not align with your political world view is strange at best.

They are not an arbiter on the issue. They can hold an opinion, but that’s all it is.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well…….they don’t get to decide. Their opinion holds as much weight as anyone’s on here.

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They are not an arbiter on the issue. They can hold an opinion, but that’s all it is.

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[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Amazing a discussion about alleged genocide turns into a debate on who has a penis, talk about deflection

Queers for Palestine is very different from Palestine for queers!

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Originally Posted by jfman

There’s nothing “progressive hard left” about the observation Israel are committing a genocide. To claim otherwise fails tbe “what if it was Putin?” test.

The only reason I don’t continue to make the observation - a position I’ve held for months given the obvious falsehoods of Israeli propaganda (we don’t bomb hospitals, 40 beheaded babies etc) is previously it was routinely censored on this forum. One year on I wonder if this post survives.

They are prosecuting a military operation to eradicate a terrorist organisation.