Brexit discussion

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The rumour that l heard is that TM has already agreed to accept that the EU will have some control over the UK when we do eventually leave.

If l could have another vote tomorrow. Then l would change to remain. Its costing this country so much.

And Theresa May is three times worse than Thatcher. She wants her own way, and is determined to get it.

She will cave into what is demanded of her. And with that buffoon Boris. This country will slowly go down like a ship.

At the end of the day, this country needs trade with other countries. And l don't think she will get it until an agreement is made.

So she 'wants her own way and is determined to get it' but will 'cave in to what's demanded of her'...

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Osem

So she 'wants her own way and is determined to get it' but will 'cave in to what's demanded of her'...

I found that intriguing too, then simply put it down to the type of typical 'remainer' example of factual accuracy . . .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Carth

I found that intriguing too, then simply put it down to the type of typical 'remainer' example of factual accuracy . . .

Yep, a bit like how the remain campaign raised queries about the legality of their opposition's pre-referendum spending when there seems to be a few questions about their own side's...

https://order-order.com/2017/12/29/r...ated-spending/

Let's not worry about that though...

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Carth

I found that intriguing too, then simply put it down to the type of typical 'remainer' example of factual accuracy . . .

Speaking of factual accuracy the original statement was made by a "leaver" who has now turned to the remain side.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

Speaking of factual accuracy the original statement was made by a "leaver" who has now turned to the remain side.

Indeed. More evidence - this time anecdotal - of a shift to remain - if people want to see it.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Indeed. More evidence - this time anecdotal - of a shift to remain - if people want to see it.

people are free to change their mind about anything, but it doesn't change the result of the referendum.

It's not like deciding on a different pair of socks is it

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Carth

people are free to change their mind about anything, but it doesn't change the result of the referendum.

It's not like deciding on a different pair of socks is it

and how many people have 'anectdotally' changed their minds the other way I wonder but of course that doesn't matter. It's ironic how some people are only too happy to cite examples of changed minds when it suit their agenda. It's perfectly obvious that there are those amongst us who will say and do almost anything to try to get their way despite the referendum result. They even cite someone who accuses May of being on the one hand unwilling to listen to anyone else whilst readily acquiescing to what other people want. That's called clutching at straws I reckon...

[heero_yuy]

So despite feeling that the process is difficult and being handled badly, few appear to be changing their underlying views. Indeed, 54% of Leave voters agreed that “Brexit is a good idea in theory but is being badly executed”. The country is still split down the middle on the matter, with little sign of a decisive shift one way or another.

Source

So no actual shift in position, just some polling noise, despite some clutching at EU straws.

[Osem]

How should Brexit have been handled? It's never been done before and Labour have no credible policy towards it so how well would they have done? How many of the problems have been down to EU intransigence just as happened when Cameron tried to make them see sense? I'd like to know what May could have done about that other than give them whatever they asked for and then be condemned for so doing. People need to get real and accept that this process is tough and mistakes will be made on both sides but of course some people have no interest in accepting that the EU is responsible for any of the delays and problems.

[TheDaddy]

Say what you want about David Davis but he was spot on about referendums, if only people had listened things wouldn't be so messy now, all this dull bickering would stop and the future would be clearer, wonder if we'll all learn for next time

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/12/14...-is-a-plonker/

Didn't like the way they called him a hypocrite at the end of the article either, it can't be true anyway, someone would've exposed him by now if he were

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Source

So no actual shift in position, just some polling noise, despite some clutching at EU straws.

Posting out of date information is not so much clutching at straws but more like a drunk clutching at another drunk for support.
Subsequent polls show the shift to Remain and this has been mentioned by many people in this thread before.

But for convenience

Including those who say they are undecided, BMG’s latest poll for the Independent puts Remain on 51%, Leave on 41% and those who are undecided on 7% (1% preferred not to give a response)...
This time last year BMG had Leave polling some 3 points ahead, and the last time BMG has polled Leave ahead of Remain was in February 2017. Since then there appears to have been a slow but consistent shift in top-line public opinion towards remaining in the EU.

http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/indepen...tion-tensions/

[Carth]

Strange how you only pasted the parts relevent to your own agenda, these snippets are taken from what may be the same web page . .



After people who said they did not know were pushed for an answer or excluded, the survey found 55.5% in favour of Remain and 44.5% backed Leave.

BMG Research head of polling Michael Turner said the shift in favour of Remain had predominantly come from people who did not vote in the referendum, rather than Leavers changing their minds.

BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,509 adults living in Great Britain between December 5 and 8.


1,509 adults living in Great Britain . . nice representative sample

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Strange how you only pasted the parts relevent to your own agenda, these snippets are taken from what may be the same web page . .



After people who said they did not know were pushed for an answer or excluded, the survey found 55.5% in favour of Remain and 44.5% backed Leave.

BMG Research head of polling Michael Turner said the shift in favour of Remain had predominantly come from people who did not vote in the referendum, rather than Leavers changing their minds.

BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,509 adults living in Great Britain between December 5 and 8.


1,509 adults living in Great Britain . . nice representative sample

BMG says it is a representative sample and I suspect BMG knows more about this than you and me. Pesky polling experts!
For copyright reasons, I can't post the whole article but unlike you I've posted a link so the article can be read in full.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Carth

Strange how you only pasted the parts relevent to your own agenda, these snippets are taken from what may be the same web page . .



After people who said they did not know were pushed for an answer or excluded, the survey found 55.5% in favour of Remain and 44.5% backed Leave.

BMG Research head of polling Michael Turner said the shift in favour of Remain had predominantly come from people who did not vote in the referendum, rather than Leavers changing their minds.

BMG Research interviewed a representative sample of 1,509 adults living in Great Britain between December 5 and 8.


1,509 adults living in Great Britain . . nice representative sample

It's not strange at all, it's what desperate folks do to try to overturn a clear result. IIRC c. 1.3 million more people voted to leave than remain. It's going to take more than an anecdotal change of mind by Arthur or [removed by Mod - warning posted later in thread] clutching at the usual highly selective straws to negate that.

I'm still waiting to hear from Grimupnorth as to why I could possibly think be might have voted against Brexit but perhaps he's busy...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

removed by Mod - warning posted later in thread

I thought there was a policy here on pathetic name calling?