*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. - Page 95

scrotnig · 13-03-2005, 21:20

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Originally Posted by big_ba*tard

Now adsl will be 8mb later this year with no limits and there is no way ntl or tw can not afford to keep up.

As long as you live in the 20% of the country that will be able to get it, AND you don't mind the fact that BT have admitted that most of the time the throughput will be arond 2mb.

Oh, and it won't be uncapped either.

Apart from that, 100% spot on!

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I don't mind all the discussion on both sides, but I think it's time something was done about the obvious trolls that are just posting crap.

Anyone with a name like 'big ba*tard' is clearly here for one reason only, and that's to disrupt the board.

Doofy · 13-03-2005, 21:24

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Originally Posted by dezzo

Yep 8Mb if the local exchange is situated at the bottom of your garden

Keytops · 13-03-2005, 21:26

Has anyone touched on the subject of when people use their connection most?

If NTL decide to introduce hard caps, wouldn't people be using their connections most in the evening when they can be infront of the PC and carefully watching the amount they download?

Wouldn't that have a noticeable impact on other users?

Doofy · 13-03-2005, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Keytops

Has anyone touched on the subject of when people use their connection most?

Mines on most of the day but only really gets used on an evening for a few hours quake 3 freezetag

plus whatever the rest of the family do .

**Maggy** · 13-03-2005, 21:42

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Originally Posted by scrotnig

As long as you live in the 20% of the country that will be able to get it, AND you don't mind the fact that BT have admitted that most of the time the throughput will be arond 2mb.

Oh, and it won't be uncapped either.

Apart from that, 100% spot on!

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I don't mind all the discussion on both sides, but I think it's time something was done about the obvious trolls that are just posting crap.

Anyone with a name like 'big ba*tard' is clearly here for one reason only, and that's to disrupt the board.

Well you could give him a red rep but frankly I don't see how that will help.You could try the ignore option too.Or you can unsubscribe from this thread.

I'm getting near to the unsubscribe option myself because I'm finding this thread rather tedious at present.We are just going round in circles and some exchanges have gone beyond heated...to downright rude..

Incog.

DVS · 13-03-2005, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Carth

Imaginary scenario ... as understood from most related posts

* 3 users on the same UBR as me download anything they can 24/7, which causes me problems.
* NTL twigs they're power users and charges them extra for exceeding the cap.
* I still have degenerated sevice, power users still download 24/7, NTL generate income.
*I still have bad service

Here here.. Someone else who realises what this 'cap' is all about. Milking a few more pounds out of the service. Who will see the benefits - Shareholders and the boses who will get yet another bumper bonus.

To all those who state that as average user usage increases companies such as NTL will re-evaluate their caps. Yes right. Once the caps are in place they will stay. We will end up paying a standing charge, which includes X GBs, and then pay per GB over that.

IMO caps are the thin end of the wedge which will allow ISPs to milk their service over time and turn it into another PaYG system.

And to those saying its consumer choice to move ISPs. Yes it is. Pity it's such a ball ache moving from NTL to an alternate ISP. Get a BT line installed. Get Sky installed. Get the BT tested for DSL use (and your stuffed if it fails). Get DSL. Once your on DSL then switching is a breeze but getting there is a major pain.

I hope the rumours I heard recently about Cable operators being forced to open their networks for competitors to use was more than a rumour as then switching ISPs would be far easier.

cr80123 · 13-03-2005, 23:59

I disagree with them.

I'm all for caps - I like my service nice and fast, without the 24 x 7 bandwidth hogs who feel the need to download the entire internet each month. Caps are the obvious way to limit such people - and if it drives them away from ntl then even better.

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Well passing lightly over the fact that you have no proof that anybody's internet connection has been degraded by other users downloading 24 x 7, this attitude is utterly astonishing. The only possible excuse for you is a vested interest in ntl's profits.

ian@huth · 14-03-2005, 00:42

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Originally Posted by Keytops

Has anyone touched on the subject of when people use their connection most?

If NTL decide to introduce hard caps, wouldn't people be using their connections most in the evening when they can be infront of the PC and carefully watching the amount they download?

Wouldn't that have a noticeable impact on other users?

Yes, there will be more users online during the peak evening and weekend times but a lot depends on how they are using their connection. Just because a user has the 3Mb service doesn't mean that he HAS to max that out all the time he is sat at his computer and continue doing this for the rest of the day when he is nowhere near it. Most users will not be maxing out at all. "What's the point in having 3Mb if you're not going to use it" some will answer. There can be many reasons for having 3Mb other than having to max it out all the time but the blinkers some high users have on prevent them from seeing this. It could be that some deterioration in speed is seen, but that is contention coming into force and it is contention that keeps prices so low. If you have a 3Mb connection you will get the full 3Mb if the sites you are visiting can give you it that fast and the route between you can do the same. You will not be able to get the full 3Mb if there are many users on your UBR at the same time as you and they are mostly trying to get the full speed of their connection. It is the same with ADSL where BT state that with 8Mb you may only get 2Mb at peak times.

There is an assumption from some users that if they have a 3Mb connection or whatever speed they are on, that they should get this speed all the time. This is not guaranteed by any ISP and the likelihood is that the faster speeds become, the less they are able to get the full speed of the connection.

cr80123 · 14-03-2005, 00:51

"There can be many reasons for having 3Mb other than having to max it out all the time but the blinkers some high users have on prevent them from seeing this."

List these many reasons.

Kevin · 14-03-2005, 00:54

But you can hit the cap on a 3mb connection is around 60ish minutes, what i dont understand is that if what most people are saying on here is that the majority of servers on the internet cannot handle multiple connections at high speed due to their bandwidth restrictions, then whats the point of a 3mb tier ?, I dont gain anything other that hitting a cap set far too low for a 3mb connection, the argument you can surf faster is cr*p, what difference does it make surfing at 2mb over 3mb sod all as far as i can see...the only reason for a 3mb tier is for downloading nothing else and if its restricted whats the point ?

**Paul** · 14-03-2005, 01:04

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Originally Posted by cr80123

Well passing lightly over the fact that you have no proof that anybody's internet connection has been degraded by other users downloading 24 x 7, this attitude is utterly astonishing. The only possible excuse for you is a vested interest in ntl's profits.

Yeah, that's right, I have a vested interest in ntl's profits

next you'll be saying they pay me

cr80123 · 14-03-2005, 01:09

So if you haven't, why are you "all for caps"? What possible reason could you have for wanting a capped service?

ian@huth · 14-03-2005, 01:23

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Originally Posted by cr80123

"There can be many reasons for having 3Mb other than having to max it out all the time but the blinkers some high users have on prevent them from seeing this."

List these many reasons.

Time for one thing is very precious to many people. I am on the lowest tier because that is sufficient for my normal needs. I have switched to the highest on a couple of occasions, once to quickly upload something where time was of the essence. Some people like to download a big file fast and then get on with the thing they needed that file for. If you want to download something that takes an hour on a 1Mb connection and you only have half an hour to do it in then the only option is to get a faster connection.

I don't subscribe to the idea that you need only have a connection that is just fast enough to download your daily needs in 24 hours. neither do I subscribe to the idea that you have to max out your connection all of the time and certainly not 24/7.

I could give you many reasons but why should I? It doesn't take much imagination to think of reasons for having a fast connection and not using it at the max 24/7.
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Originally Posted by cr80123

So if you haven't, why are you "all for caps"? What possible reason could you have for wanting a capped service?

Read through this thread again and you will probably find the answer.

**Paul** · 14-03-2005, 01:29

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Originally Posted by cr80123

So if you haven't, why are you "all for caps"? What possible reason could you have for wanting a capped service?

Read back and you will see - I'm not repeating myself yet again.

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Originally Posted by cr80123

List these many reasons.

Hmm, lets see, why would I want a faster connection ? - oh, I know, because it's faster.

14-03-2005, 01:41

I am interested in the tech side of things what can ntl do about bandwidth to improve the situation some tests are being run on adsl 2 which could mean 20 meg connections next year then if its not messed up theres vdsl which could offer 40 meg.I think a mistake was made a long time ago im not sure what the mistake was as i dont know enough about ntl and cable to know but i know 20 meg is available in france with no cap and 100 meg in japan the write up was in a resent micromart about how we in the uk are falling behind,so to reiterate my question what can ntl do to change the situation and create a speed comparable to what adsl2 at least and bandwidth broadening to allow for higher caps,Im only asking out of interest without moaning whining or having a go at someonelol lol lol http://www.nwfusion.com/news/tech/20...echupdate.html adsl2 link