Unstoppable migration?

Originally Posted by Chris

In fact, it is illegal to sell halal food to anyone whose religious belief does not require it. That law has been flaunted in the UK for years, yet it is still the law. If Subway is operating halal stores, then they are - or should be - for Muslims only.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Didn't realise that. Was suspicious that it wasn't true.
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Surprised the Animal Welfare Lobby doesn't kick up a big fuss about it.

The way that's worded 'the meat must be intended for consumption by Jews or Muslims' makes me think it's isn't illegal to sell halal meat to non-Muslims or Jews as long as you can reasonably show you intended to provide it for Muslims or Jews. So if you set up a halal butcher in a area with a high Muslim or Jewish population then you would meet that requirement even if end up selling halal meet to people who don't qualify.

[Osem]

Hundreds of migrants have crossed from Greece into Macedonia after finding a way through the border fence.

Macedonian police are detaining them, saying they will be returned to Greece.

Earlier, some 1,000 migrants, including children, left their sprawling camp in the Greek village of Idomeni and crossed a river near the border.

Some 14,000 people, many from Syria or Iraq, have been stranded at the camp, where conditions have deteriorated following days of rain.

Macedonia last week said it would no longer let any

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35805010

This is what happens in the real world despite what the Eurocrats say. The idea that Greece's external border is somehow going to become the EU's version of the Berlin Wall is about as much of a joke as admitting them into the Euro was.

[Ramrod]

Just in case people think that all these migrants are going to add to the workforce and productivity:
Two Thirds Of Arrivals Are ‘Basically Illiterate’

A senior German academic has joined the chorus of voices expressing concern over the low educational standards of newly arriving migrants, and the significant knock-on effects that is bound to have on the German educational system....... around two thirds of these arrivals had no qualifications at all from their home nation. He estimated giving migrants German lessons to get them to a point where they could become productive members of society would cost some €80,000 a year for a class of 25, with classes needed for some two and a half years...........According to the Chamber of Commerce of Munich and Upper Bavaria, 70 per cent of trainees from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq who started lessons more than two years ago have already dropped out”.
....... internal figures of the German government, which were leaked at the end of 2015. The internal paper from the Federal Employment Agency suggested 81 per cent of migrants to Germany were unskilled, and just eight per cent had academic qualifications of any kind.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Just in case people think that all these migrants are going to add to the workforce and productivity:
Two Thirds Of Arrivals Are ‘Basically Illiterate’

I think he must be confused. The Beeb never stops reminding us how articulate and well educated these people are and how their grasp of other languages and liking for the culture is the reason they choose countries like Germany and the UK to break into.

I'm getting a tad fed up of people telling the rest of us what we should do to accommodate the world's poor and needy. Presenting them all as a net benefit to society irrespective of their skills, knowledge, background, political sympathies, criminal records, medical needs, mental health issues etc.

I've yet to hear of a single celebrity luvvie, politician or VIP who's put up a single migrant. What I have heard is those same people telling us we should do the right thing having done precious little themselves. Well I'd like our govt. to do the right thing by the people it serves before they start taking on the rest of the world's needy. I'd also like the usual suspects to either put up or shut up.

Now if any of that sounds like a rant to folks like Stop It then I'd ask them just how far their sympathy goes. A casual donation? A regular donation? Food? A significant sum? A bed? A room? More than one room? At what point do people trying, with increasing desperation, to force their way in become a threat as opposed to just people who need our help. No it's not a nice thought but I don't think there's a person here who'd significantly sacrifice the lifestyle of themselves and their dependants to help the migrants in Greece and elsewhere. Now if that's the case, what right should they have to try and dictate that Europe should take in even more refugees and migrants? So far as I'm concerned there's a great deal of hypocrisy about. It's all too easy to talk the talk whilst having no intention of walking the walk and it's no accident that those who talk the loudest deliver the least.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

I've yet to hear of a single celebrity luvvie, politician or VIP who's put up a single migrant. What I have heard is those same people telling us we should do the right thing having done precious little themselves. Well I'd like our govt. to do the right thing by the people it serves before they start taking on the rest of the world's needy. I'd also like the usual suspects to either put up or shut up.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

I've yet to hear of a single celebrity luvvie, politician or VIP who's put up a single migrant. What I have heard is those same people telling us we should do the right thing having done precious little themselves. Well I'd like our govt. to do the right thing by the people it serves before they start taking on the rest of the world's needy. I'd also like the usual suspects to either put up or shut up.

Tad unfair, jude law gave migrants every penny he had on him when he met some...

[Chrysalis]

ironic that politicians say we cant afford to help the vulnerable already in this country yet propose bringing in more.

[pip08456]

Worth thinking about.

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[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Worth thinking about.

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Worth considering this to, hidden in the horrific tales of execution and torture is an almost throw away comment that they're taking ids to get into turkey.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aqqa-ISIS.html

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Worth considering this to, hidden in the horrific tales of execution and torture is an almost throw away comment that they're taking ids to get into turkey.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aqqa-ISIS.html

Where should they go then?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Where should they go then?

Straight to hell with a bit of luck

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

ironic that politicians say we cant afford to help the vulnerable already in this country yet propose bringing in more.

[Osem]

If the super wealthy great and the good wanted to help migrants they could directly in any number of ways. What they seem to prefer doing is massaging their own egos and polishing their PR by appearing on charity fundraisers whilst leaving the real work and donating to ordinary people. It always amazes me that people cite city fat cats, entrepreneurs etc. as being by definition greedy when these same people seem to turn a blind eye to the left speaking but often voraciously wealth acquiring and tax avoiding actors, media personalities, musicians, football players or whatever. It's almost as if hero worship determines who they feel able to condemn.

The truth is that most of the people making most of the noise about taking in more migrants won't ever be directly affected to any significant degree by the influx they support. It's our own needy and vulnerable who pay the price not the sanctimonious hypocrites at the top of the pile who live in their private estates tucked well away from the real world and those they say they're so keen on helping.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Osem

It's our own needy and vulnerable who pay the price not the sanctimonious hypocrites at the top of the pile who live in their private estates tucked well away from the real world and those they say they're so keen on helping.

You mean politicians?

Wasn't some guy going to buy an island in the Med for refugees? Or was that just another PR exercise?

Originally Posted by Osem

I've yet to hear of a single celebrity luvvie, politician or VIP who's put up a single migrant. What I have heard is those same people telling us we should do the right thing having done precious little themselves. Well I'd like our govt. to do the right thing by the people it serves before they start taking on the rest of the world's needy. I'd also like the usual suspects to either put up or shut up.

Emma Thompson seems to have done quite a bit to be fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_T...#Personal_life

Also in 2003, Thompson and her husband informally adopted a Rwandan orphan and former child soldier named Tindyebwa Agaba. They met at a Refugee Council event when he was 16, and she invited him to spend Christmas at their home. "Slowly," Thompson has commented, "he became a sort of permanent fixture, came on holiday to Scotland with us, became part of the family." Tindy became a British citizen in 2009.

She is particularly active in human rights work. As an ambassador for the charity ActionAid she has travelled to Uganda, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Liberia, and Burma. She is chair of the Helen Bamber Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture, a patron of the Refugee Council and has a therapy room in her office for traumatised refugees