[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 91

Mr K · 12-04-2016, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh

As has been previously stated, doing that will just cost the Royal Mail time and money, as they go to a Royal Mail PO Box to be sorted first, and junk mail is taken out...

How do they know it's junk mail unless they open the envelope ? Its worth a go even if it does cut into the proceeds of your Tory coffee mornings Hugh !

It's a shame RM don't filter my unaddressed mail out like I ask them to. However if this leaflet appears - they'll get a complaint; I've put up with it till now.

papa smurf · 12-04-2016, 17:26

i'm cutting mine in half so i can post it twice .

Osem · 12-04-2016, 17:47

Simple (and genuine) question - do you think that, if we remain inside the EU, the UK will have:

a) More influence?
b) Less influence?
c) The same influence?

My answer is b)

I have a feeling we'll be reminded of it endlessly and made to pay for daring to rock the boat and want something better.

papa smurf · 12-04-2016, 17:51

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Originally Posted by Osem

Simple (and genuine) question - do you think that, if we remain inside the EU, the UK will have:

a) More influence?
b) Less influence?
c) The same influence?

My answer is b)

I have a feeling we'll be reminded of it endlessly and made to pay for daring to rock the boat and want something better.

influence of what? they never listen

heero_yuy · 12-04-2016, 18:05

Surely Royal Mail will be reimbursed by the Tory party as part of the Freepost licence?

Osem · 12-04-2016, 18:11

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

influence of what? they never listen

Have you ever answered a question without posing one?

No, I didn't think so...

**Hugh** · 12-04-2016, 18:20

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Surely Royal Mail will be reimbursed by the Tory party as part of the Freepost licence?

Not if it's a mass of junk/spoof mail....

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Originally Posted by Mr K

How do they know it's junk mail unless they open the envelope ? Its worth a go even if it does cut into the proceeds of your Tory coffee mornings Hugh !

It's a shame RM don't filter my unaddressed mail out like I ask them to. However if this leaflet appears - they'll get a complaint; I've put up with it till now.

Simple logic - if they normally get a hundred or so Freepost mails to the PO Box at the Royal Mail sorting office that holds the PO Box, and then over a couple of weeks theu get a hundred thousand, it's not hard to figure out, and it's usually part of the contract.

btw, I don't take part in party politics, from leafleting to coffe mornings, for any party...

heero_yuy · 12-04-2016, 18:26

Well it'll case a stink however it plays out. The royal mail will give the Tory's GBH of the earhole.

Sirius · 12-04-2016, 18:33

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Originally Posted by solitaire

Thanks for that post. Just received my copy this morning, it's gone straight back in an envelope to that address with the appropriate "Junk Mail" written on it. Let's hope they receive a lot of the leaflets back, it's been a colossal waste of taxpayers money.

Mine arrived this morning, i have not even read it. Its in an envelope ready to be put in the post box tomorrow.

heero_yuy · 12-04-2016, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Mine arrived this morning, i have not even read it. Its in an envelope ready to be put in the post box tomorrow.

Already posted ours.

**Hugh** · 12-04-2016, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Mr K

How do they know it's junk mail unless they open the envelope ? Its worth a go even if it does cut into the proceeds of your Tory coffee mornings Hugh !

It's a shame RM don't filter my unaddressed mail out like I ask them to. However if this leaflet appears - they'll get a complaint; I've put up with it till now.

Complain away, but you may wish to read the MPS site first...

http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/mpsr/what/

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What is the MPS?

The Mailing Preference Service (MPS) is a free service set up 20 years ago and funded by the direct mail industry to enable consumers to have their names and home addresses in the UK removed from lists used by the industry. It is actively supported by the Royal Mail and all directly involved trade associations and fully supported by The Information Commissioners Office.

The MPS Consumer File is a list of names and addresses of consumers who have told us they wish to limit the amount of direct mail they receive. The use of the Consumer File by list-owners and users is a requirement of the British Code of Advertising, Sales Promotion and Direct Marketing administered by the Advertising Standards Authority. It is also a condition under the Code of Practice of the Direct Marketing Association.

The MPS will prevent the receipt of unsolicited direct mailings sent from member companies of the Direct Marketing Association and we will take steps to prevent the receipt of unsolicited direct mailings from companies which are non-DMA members. It will not stop mail that has been sent from overseas, un-addressed material or mail addressed to The Occupier. You can expect to continue to receive mailings from companies with whom you have done business in the past. You may also receive mailings from small, local companies. If you wish these mailings to be stopped, you must notify these companies directly. It will take up to 4 months for the Service to have full effect although you should notice a reduction in mail during this period.

MPS only affects members of the Direct Marketing Association, not local businesses or political parties.

**Damien** · 12-04-2016, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Osem

Simple (and genuine) question - do you think that, if we remain inside the EU, the UK will have:

a) More influence?
b) Less influence?
c) The same influence?

My answer is b)

I have a feeling we'll be reminded of it endlessly and made to pay for daring to rock the boat and want something better.

Well we'll have less influence in the EU if we leave, no right to veto, no ability to vote for EU regulations. More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have (despite what Brexiters say, trade deals can demand national laws be passed). World wide I am not sure how we would have more influence.

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Originally Posted by Osem

I'd send them to Labour HQ - they've done more than anyone to draw us into the EU superstate and they wouldn't even have given us the one sided referendum we have. With a bit of luck all that postage to pay would bankrupt the party.

Wasn't it the Tories who signed us up and Thatcher who was in charge when it expanded?

Mr K · 12-04-2016, 20:12

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Complain away, but you may wish to read the MPS site first...

http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/mpsr/what/

MPS only affects members of the Direct Marketing Association, not local businesses or political parties.

Not referring to MPS. I'm referring to the Royal Mail unaddressed mail opt out which they hide away on their site.
https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...al-material%3F
If registered with this you should receive no unaddressed mail from RM (which would include this leaflet).

**Hugh** · 12-04-2016, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Not referring to MPS. I'm referring to the Royal Mail unaddressed mail opt out which they hide away on their site.
https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...al-material%3F
If registered with this you should receive no unaddressed mail from RM (which would include this leaflet).

Good find - thanks for the information.

Osem · 12-04-2016, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well we'll have less influence in the EU if we leave, no right to veto, no ability to vote for EU regulations. More influence on our own laws depending exactly what trade deals we have (despite what Brexiters say, trade deals can demand national laws be passed). World wide I am not sure how we would have more influence.

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Wasn't it the Tories who signed us up and Thatcher who was in charge when it expanded?

How about answering the question asked?

What was happening back then pales into insignificance when compared to what happened since Blair obtained power. Furthermore since then we've had a couple of decades more to experience what the EU is all about in the real world, today, as opposed to nice cosy cuddly Brussels sponsored theory.

The world has changed massively since the days of Thatcher but the EU staggers on regardless and in spite of the chaos and at least she managed to stand up to these people a lot better than anyone since has.