Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ? - Page 9

Xaccers · 22-02-2004, 01:29

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

They used to segment yes. There was Alpha, Beta and gamma in my school. Alpha had the dim witts (me) and gamma had the smart kids.

It took me over 6 months to move to gamma !

I would have loved to have been split away from the disruptive or not so bright kids.

At boarding school we had to do a test at the end of each year to progress, anyone who failed got the extra help they needed so they moved up a bit later.
Of course they had a heck of a lot more money to spend, and much smaller class sizes (about 20 per class), but the whole school atmosphere was that of wanting to learn, totally different to the crap state schools I've been to.

Ramrod · 22-02-2004, 01:35

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Am I right in thinking that grammer schools enabled the seperation of the brightest kids from the rest?

Yup, thats why labour are trying to close grammar schools here in Kent. Grammars don't fit the socialist policy of 'everyone must be dragged down to the same level'

Flubflow · 22-02-2004, 01:55

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

No one ever learns good from good. It never works.

What!? Never?
I can understand the notion of learning from your mistakes along life's voyage of discovery but saying that people can only learn good from bad is a rather limited view.

Flubflow · 22-02-2004, 02:24

One of the problems even with this "last resort" smacking idea is that the child soon learns the highest level of general naughtiness to which they can go to which is safely under the smacking threshold but still naughty enough to ruin your day.
I think teaching better behaviour through other means pays off across all levels of naughtiness and results in less general bedlam.

Jerrek · 22-02-2004, 02:31

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Originally Posted by Flubflow

What!? Never?
I can understand the notion of learning from your mistakes along life's voyage of discovery but saying that people can only learn good from bad is a rather limited view.

Well, can you give me an example?

Flubflow · 22-02-2004, 02:55

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

Well, can you give me an example?

You are joking right?

22-02-2004, 03:20

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

But you cannot dismiss the differences in scale, they are vast.

But the principle is the same: do what someone else says or you get hurt.

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Anyway, why are you speaking up against spanking?

A little thing called *consent*...

22-02-2004, 03:25

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Here's a few reasons why hitting children is wrong (stolen from another site I hasten to add).

I can agree with all of this except for point 8:

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8. Spanking on the buttocks, an erogenous zone in childhood, can create in the child's mind an association between pain and sexual pleasure, and lead to difficulties in adulthood. "Spanking wanted" ads in alternative newspapers attest to the sad consequences of this confusion of pain and pleasure. If a child receives little parental attention except when being punished, this will further merge the concepts of pain and pleasure in the child's mind. A child in this situation will have little self-esteem, believing he deserves nothing better. For more on this topic, see "The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children" (also in French).

This is, IMO, grossly over-generalised and totally fails to understand the mindset of those who engage in BDSM.

I won't go into a long treatise here, but, trust me, I *do* know what I'm talking about!!

22-02-2004, 03:31

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

It only did me good. Nothing bad came from it. It teaches a lot of discipline in a short time. Kids these days are undisciplined and vicious. Apply some strong, military-style discipline with corporal punishment and things would change.

You know, I didn't read the posting name on this until after I'd read the message.

Somehow I was totally unsurprised...!!!

Flubflow · 22-02-2004, 03:32

Here is a useful link peeps....
http://www.early-education.org.uk/1leaflet16.htm
If, after reading and applying all that, any parent *still* feels that smacking their child is a good idea then further expert help is probably needed for the parent and/or child.

22-02-2004, 03:37

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Am I right in thinking that grammer schools enabled the seperation of the brightest kids from the rest?

Yes, I went to Bristol Grammar (NB you'd get into *serious* trouble for spelling it -er!!!

) and after the first year pupils were "streamed" so you'd have classes 4:1, 4:2... 4:5 where 1 was the "smartest" kids and 5 had the "least smart" ones.

Of course this did mean that your subsequent schooling was decided on the basis of how you did in your first year at secondary school.

(Oh, I was in the x.3 classes, if anyone's interested, but that's because I was smart enough to realise that being too smart was just hard work!

)

22-02-2004, 03:39

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Originally Posted by Jerrek

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Originally Posted by Flubflow

I can understand the notion of learning from your mistakes along life's voyage of discovery but saying that people can only learn good from bad is a rather limited view.

Well, can you give me an example?

A *CHRISTIAN* is asking this question?!?!

paulyoung666 · 22-02-2004, 08:47

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Originally Posted by stuartbe

It seems a shame that a few children can spoil the education of an entire class !

having a nephew with this so called adhd or whatever it is called , the poor **** is in an awful position , i think he is 9 years old now and big for it as well , he has had problems with his hearing and speech , so what happens , the other kids take the p!ss out of him and what does he do , give em a good slap , which results in him being in trouble , he is not nasty he just cant control himself , leaving him in that school is going to end in tears imo , yet the mother and her parents and my wife's parents dont want to see him in some sort of special needs school , for me a lot of the problem is that the parents were never married and are now seperated , the poor little sod doesnt know whether he is coming or going as regards parents , its gotten to the point now where he is calling the grandads dads , weird , i really fear for him when he goes into secondary school , i reckon it will seriously end in tears , and yes i still say there should be the cane / slipper or whatever , sorry if my post is a bit rambling

kronas · 22-02-2004, 08:59

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Originally Posted by Flubflow

No.
It's just a form of legalised child abuse.

that is true.

i dont think we should allow it, as much as i would love for it to be introduced in to the education system at a young age, i dont think it would be wise to even think about utilizing a smokescreen to justify it, i believe the system would be abused by parents/teachers, there would have to be legislation to accurately term what 'reasonable force is' not to mention the legal threats etc........

in this society, the only people who will change the childs habitual lifestyle for being disruptive, unruely, will be the parents, they are responsible.

example, im my case i have been tought to respect elders (older people) and be polite and respect them.

i have always done this.

through this, i have learnt to respect everyone, never be a nuiscence, disrupt people, respect there wishes, and one of the most important things, HELP people.

looking at it, i have always communicated with people using those ethics in a one on one situation (offline infront of real people ) however angry or annoyed i maybe.......

Bifta · 22-02-2004, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Graham

I can agree with all of this except for point 8:

This is, IMO, grossly over-generalised and totally fails to understand the mindset of those who engage in BDSM.

I won't go into a long treatise here, but, trust me, I *do* know what I'm talking about!!

You're probably right, the link from that article is here

http://www.nospank.net/sexdngrs.htm