BNP loses seats - Page 9

kronas · 20-10-2003, 16:10

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Originally Posted by towny

from this you can see that in school year 2000-2001, for every 10,000 white kids at a UK school, 13 of them got expelled, but in a sample of the same size of black Carribbean kids, 38 of them got expelled.

but thats school age youngsters i was on about a more older age group the 16+ group ill admit one thing some asains i have seen and know are unruely and disruptive outside of school but it does not mean they are criminals

**Chris** · 20-10-2003, 16:16

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Originally Posted by kronas

but thats school age youngsters i was on about a more older age group the 16+ group ill admit one thing some asains i have seen and know are unruely and disruptive outside of school but it does not mean they are criminals

Very true; I know it's a poor example but I was using it to illustrate statistical reporting methods, not as proof of criminal activity. As I said, I'm still wrestling with the search engine at www.statistics.gov.uk ... anyone having better luck want to post a link to stats relating to crime and ethnic group?

basa · 20-10-2003, 16:17

All these statistics regarding criminal activity by the various racial groups is all very fascinating, but..........

you will note they are all at least two years out of date and I would suggest that IMO the number of immigrants (legal or otherwise) has accelerated in the last few years.

However, even though the above is worrying, it is perhaps the apparent abuse of our social systems (benefits, housing etc. for people who have not contributed to the system) that upsets people as well. The recent case of an immigrant family using legal aid to take the local council to court for not providing adequate housing, springs to mind ... (and yes I know it was thrown out...but our money was still abused).

IMO whilst taking in asylum seekers is all well and good, we should really put our own people first, i.e. people who were born here and work(ed) here. We have enough of a problem with 'our own' without importing more problems.

Shaun · 20-10-2003, 16:19

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Originally Posted by towny

So, it is a fact to say that 'proportionately, more black kids get expelled than white kids'.

It's all very interesting, but what you have to work out what the constant of proportionality is here? Is it the bad behaviour of the black children or racism, or something else?

What ever it is, it still doesn't mean anyone should vote BNP!

Still no one has told me how the BNP will change all the issues raised in this thread, we all know what issues there are but there aren't many with WORKABLE answers.

Defiant, you still haven't told me HOW they plan on changing things

**Chris** · 20-10-2003, 16:20

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Originally Posted by basa

The recent case of an immigrant family using legal aid to take the local council to court for not providing adequate housing, springs to mind ... (and yes I know it was thrown out...but our money was still abused).

What I want to know in this case is, who put them up to it? It's for certain they didn't arrive in the UK fully aware of the possibility that they could sue a council if their stairs were too steep. There are some crazy libertarian types out there who seem hell-bent on helping people abuse the system from the moment they arrive in the UK.

basa · 20-10-2003, 16:25

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Originally Posted by towny

What I want to know in this case is, who put them up to it? It's for certain they didn't arrive in the UK fully aware of the possibility that they could sue a council if their stairs were too steep. There are some crazy libertarian types out there who seem hell-bent on helping people abuse the system from the moment they arrive in the UK.

There are a large number of 'help' organisations in all large towns specifically to help immigrants get the most out of their local (and national) councils. They are invariably run by ex. immigrant individuals who 'know' the system from experience.

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 16:27

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Originally Posted by aliferste

But the identity and email thing has got nothing to do with the UK crime thingymijjigers !! To be honest if you get conned by them well.........they are playing on peoples greed!!

LOL

Romany homeless people begging in the street!! Possibly through better education they could be helped off the street.

But what you say dosn't dispute what I said. So are you agreeing that I have a point?

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 16:30

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Originally Posted by kronas

i do the majorty of the people in the uk are white am i right ?

so if there are crimes being commited by a black person i believe people will notice it more because of there black skin

anyway back to my point i dont believe there is a big problem in the black community with crime yes there are gangs of black youths etc in various areas of the uk but the same goes for white people as well

I don't think there is a big problem either but there is probably a bigger problem than the white community has. Anyway, I'm not talking about black and white here, I'm talking about Nigerian scams, Romanian pickpockets and knife carrying Kosovans.

**Chris** · 20-10-2003, 16:35

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Originally Posted by dellwear

It's all very interesting, but what you have to work out what the constant of proportionality is here? Is it the bad behaviour of the black children or racism, or something else?

What ever it is, it still doesn't mean anyone should vote BNP!

Still no one has told me how the BNP will change all the issues raised in this thread, we all know what issues there are but there aren't many with WORKABLE answers.

Defiant, you still haven't told me HOW they plan on changing things

I certainly agree with you on this ... BNP out. Who knows what other odious policies of discrimination they might unleash if they ever got into power.

In discussing statistics I'm trying to establish a frameweork for debate. It has been my experience in the past that some of the so-called do-gooders are so focused on achieving racial harmony that they will do anything they can to deny there is a significant problem in the first place. They would like it to be declared 'racist' to even point out that there is proportionately a higher crime rate amongst black people. They spend a lot of energy campaigning to have the Metropolitan Police declared 'institutionally racist' yet we don't hear them expending nearly so much energy highlighting London's serious black crime problem.

This prevents us properly understanding the problem and arriving at a solution. If we are to fully tackle the issue, no area of discussion can be out of bounds.

Niles Crane · 20-10-2003, 16:58

towny, i agree mostly. However, some of your claims cannot be left unquestioned. Though blacks make only about 6% of the national population, they make up FAR more than that in London - probably anywhere up to 50%. London is where most of the crime, which make the statistics dis-proportionate on a national scale, happens - i'd also like to know how disproportionate the statistics are for London only. If you exclude London blacks from the national statistics, those crime statistics would not be as dis-proportionate, if at all.
Also, wealth has not been taken into account. Its an obvious fact that wealth and income has an affect on crime. Compare whites on the same income as blacks with the amount of crime commited - i've searched high and wide for such statistics, to no avail.
Finally, however cliched it is, police predjudice, competence, efficiency and racial profiling has to be taken into account. Compare number of random searches and stoppings in white districts, with black. Number of charges, number of arrests, corruption etc etc.

But what people must understand, yet unfortunetly plenty dont - or choose not to, is that merely because blacks may commit more crime than whites proportionatley, does not make a black any more likely to commit crime than his white counterpart.

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 16:59

I'm with you on that Towny!

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 17:00

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Originally Posted by Ezenden

But what people must understand, yet unfortunetly plenty dont - or choose not to, is that merely because blacks may commit more crime than whites proportionatley, does not make a black any more likely to commit crime than his white counterpart.

So what? What point are you making here?

Niles Crane · 20-10-2003, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

So what? What point are you making here?

That has to be the most idiotic comment i've witnessed all day.
My point is clear and obvious. Read it again, instead of asking tedious questions which can be answered by the use of your own eyes. I know you have intelligence, the paragraph isnt hard to comphrehend.

Steve H · 20-10-2003, 17:29

I dont know why colour always has to come into it, we're talking about immigrants here, not all of them are black.

And I think a Immigrant is more likely to commit crime than a Person Like ourselves, as they' dont have anything to lose really.

Niles Crane · 20-10-2003, 17:34

Steve_NTL, the original thread subject was on the BNP, not immigrants. Colour has everything to do with it.