Crackdown on 'rich' council house tenants

[mrmistoffelees]

Good

My over half has a friend who earns 30k per year and her partner earns approx 20k per year and they pay £350 ish rent a month for their council house (three bedroom semi)

No reason they could not buy their own place they just like the easy life

I think that a few members need to step away from this thread before they post something that will lead to infractions.OR just put each other on ignore.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

Another brainless post by Pierre

I suppose if Osborne decided you should pay more for your mortgage simply because you earn
.

My mortgage is set by the market, what is your rent set by.

I asked a question you didn't answer. Do you pay the market rate for the rent for your property? Yes or no will suffice.

[dcclanuk]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This whole business finally convinces me that Osborne hates the ordinary man in the street.

First they bring out the evil Bedroom Tax, now they bring out this. Its another way of getting back to people who have got a council house, made some money and earn a lot of money - what is wrong with that.

Osborne deserves to be put up against a wall and read the riot act, by the millions of people that he has made misery of

Why doesn't he just bring out Mansion Tax - for people that live in large houses and have rooms that wont be used.

Its always the normal Joe blogs in the street that he hits. If l lose my job tomorrow which can happen - l have been edge for the past few years with cuts looming. I have an extra room - I will have to pay Bedroom Tax

If he brought out in the budget that he will increase taxes for the rich. That would ease the pain - but l bet he wont

Osborne and Cameron are multi millionaires, so money is not object.

Because the Mansion tax would be for people that own their own home whereas the Bedroom Tax is for people that have homes owned by the council? Beggars can't be choosers ...

I think it's a brilliant idea by George. The Conservatives whilst not perfect have taken quite a few bold, correct decisions. This country is too reliant on free benefit handouts. Why should I work hard to own/privately rent my home whereas people that are earning the same as me get subsidised rent through the council (and free repairs etc)?

Yes some of you may be paying the market rent, but clearly there are people that are paying below market rentals. This should target those below market rental payers only.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Stop It

So are you saying that I and many others should subsidise those lucky enough to live in a council house, paying below market rates despite earning enough to pay them?

I live in private rented housing, and have done for years. I do not earn a huge wage, and frankly find it a bit much for people to want to literally take from others in similar situations just based on who owns the house they rent from.

Everybody would love to have a little bit extra to save for a house, but that should not be a subsidy from taxpayers for some, while others have to not only pay for them, but face being unable to save themselves because of the disparity in rents.

Social housing should be provided for people in need, and assistance with rents to those whose standards of living would be too low otherwise, not to fund a deposit or enhance peoples lifestyles beyond that which the average working family can achieve in the private sector.

Also, name calling isn't on, argue the ideas, not the person as your attitude can easily be seen as a classic case of rent seeking.

How are you subsidising his or anyone else paying their full rent in social housing?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

How are you subsidising his or anyone else paying their full rent in social housing?

where i live a three bed semi £600 pm- 4 bed detached £900 pm- 3 bed terraced £450 pm does that compare with council rents?

3 bed semi council house £344 pm [and some say that's not subsidised

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Good

My over half has a friend who earns 30k per year and her partner earns approx 20k per year and they pay £350 ish rent a month for their council house (three bedroom semi)

No reason they could not buy their own place they just like the easy life

Similar. My wife's mate and her partner have a council house and have their own business along with fancy cars. They also have property abroad. Doesn't feel right.

Biggest travesty of all was Bob Crowe, when he was alive. 145k a year and living in a council house.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

How are you subsidising his or anyone else paying their full rent in social housing?

Very simple.

If people in social housing earning enough to pay market rates, especially provided by the council, that extra funding to the council would go to building more social housing and help balance council budgets.

Instead we have many councils buckling under lower central funding and having to either cut services or tax people more. Subsidised rents are not free by any means, and the shortfall in money from them has to come from somewhere. We have a shortage of social housing primarily because there is no money to make more, so yes, people who can afford markets rates should pay them, so those who cannot (And there is a current 2 million waiting list for social housing remember) can have access to them.

Social housing should be more widely available, subsidised rents should be means tested.

[techguyone]

Stop blaming the people living in them, instead direct your wrath at whoever made the policies...

You're all taking out your bitterness on the wrong people, it's not like they have any degree of control over the price the rent is set at is it, for Gods sake look at yourselves all sniping at council house tenants. You should be ashamed of yourselves, you have no idea of their personal circumstances, or whether or not they pay full rate or not.

If you want to bleat and moan about the 'unfairness' of it - and you're not wrong it IS unfair, well guess what?

Life is unfair.
The world is unfair.

I suggest you cry about it to someone who can change it, and not the poor sods who live there and have absolutely no power to do anything about it.

And think before you so blithely say 'Oh well just move out then and let someone else have it' These people will have jobs, kids, family, infrastructure where they are, they can no more just up & go than you lot can.

The stereotypical resentment from some people on this board is frankly mind boggling, I guess the current Govt did a really good job of 'divide and rule' didn't they.

I've been a house owner, I've been a private renter, and now I'm a Council Tenant. I pay full rent.

I've also been employed in middle management, I've been bankrupt, I've been divorced, I've had all sorts of events happen to me that I've had no control over at all. Some of you will to over your lifetime. Think. Before you speak so casually against other people whose lives you have no real idea about. Like mine.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Stop blaming the people living in them, instead direct your wrath at whoever made the policies...

You're all taking out your bitterness on the wrong people, it's not like they have any degree of control over the price the rent is set at is it, for Gods sake look at yourselves all sniping at council house tenants. You should be ashamed of yourselves, you have no idea of their personal circumstances, or whether or not they pay full rate or not.

If you want to bleat and moan about the 'unfairness' of it - and you're not wrong it IS unfair, well guess what?

Life is unfair.
The world is unfair.

I suggest you cry about it to someone who can change it, and not the poor sods who live there and have absolutely no power to do anything about it.

And think before you so blithely say 'Oh well just move out then and let someone else have it' These people will have jobs, kids, family, infrastructure where they are, they can no more just up & go than you lot can.

The stereotypical resentment from some people on this board is frankly mind boggling, I guess the current Govt did a really good job of 'divide and rule' didn't they.

I've been a house owner, I've been a private renter, and now I'm a Council Tenant. I pay full rent.

I've also been employed in middle management, I've been bankrupt, I've been divorced, I've had all sorts of events happen to me that I've had no control over at all. Some of you will to over your lifetime. Think. Before you speak so casually against other people whose lives you have no real idea about. Like mine.

I frankly do not care about personal circumstances, which is why I said about social housing subsidies being means tested.

Those with the ability to pay market rates, should, simple. It's not a personal dig at all and frankly I'm a bit annoyed that asking for fairness in society and a level playing field is now seen as "bleating"

We need a decent stock of social housing in this country, we also need a good safety net. Rent seeking and everyone claiming that their personal circumstances are worthy of special treatment while others in similar financial circumstances are not because of who they rent from is absurd.

You are damned right about "divide and rule", you seem to see fit to benefit from what others can only dream of, while in social housing while having no thought of others having to get by in the private sector and worse, that claiming that "It's alright for me gov, why are you moaning" when there is a massive shortage of social housing because of a chronic lack of funding is galling.

Thankfully, there is word that higher earners are to pay market rates, so for once, the policy makers are doing it right: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10366555.html

If you earn £30,000 a year (£40,000 in London) there is no reason why you shouldn't be paying market rates for housing, ever.

[techguyone]

Don't tell me, tell someone who can change it! - Hence my 'bleating' comment, you can bitch at me or anyone else who lives in these houses til the cows come home, it won't Change. Anything.

Go cry to your MP or something if you want change.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Don't tell me, tell someone who can change it! - Hence my 'bleating' comment, you can bitch at me or anyone else who lives in these houses til the cows come home, it won't Change. Anything.

Go cry to your MP or something if you want change.

Read the link I posted, they are changing it, and using a means tested system pretty much exactly how it should be.

Those who can pay market rates, should. If you don't like that, tough, the same applies the other way.

For the tl'dr crowd "From 2017/18, those on incomes above £40,000 in London and £30,000 in the rest of England who live in social housing will be charged a market or near-market rent."

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

Biggest travesty of all was Bob Crowe, when he was alive. 145k a year and living in a council house.

He wasn't the only one either, one of Red Ken's right hand men also seems to have been in great need of social housing:

Ken's £117,000 aide lives in £90pw council house

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/kens-...e-6651527.html

Yeah well "I'm entitled ain't I!"...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

where i live a three bed semi £600 pm- 4 bed detached £900 pm- 3 bed terraced £450 pm does that compare with council rents?

3 bed semi council house £344 pm [and some say that's not subsidised

So some of that 6- 900 pounds per month is being used to keep others rent at 344

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana

Biggest travesty of all was Bob Crowe, when he was alive. 145k a year and living in a council house.

Quite right, he should've used his right to buy and taken it out of council stock all together

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

So some of that 6- 900 pounds per month is being used to keep others rent at 344

---------- Post added at 14:06 ---------- Previous post was at 14:04 ----------



Quite right, he should've used his right to buy and taken it out of council stock all together

no its subsidised from the council tax we all pay into making council rents much cheaper than the going private rent
so when some say they are paying "full rent " they aren't they are getting a huge discount from the nanny state