Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London - Page 9

**Hugh** · 13-08-2015, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Kursk

In a previous post you accused me of writing 'puerile drivel' but, well, I took it on the chin. Man up: it's the cut and thrust of forum life.

Luckily, motorists are trained to care for these innocents.

You wouldn't think so, if you drove down the A660 into Leeds each day - there is a cycle lane most of the way, but the very high number of motorists I see most days cutting into it, without looking to see if there is a cyclist close by, as they undertake because another car is turning right.

When I passed my driving test in West Berlin in the 70's, we were always taught to look over our right shoulder when turning, in case a cyclist was in your blind spot - neither of my kids were taught this in the UK.

Whilst some cyclists can be a PITA weaving in and out, we car-drivers have to bear in mind we can do a lot more damage to them than they can to us in the event of a collision.

Kursk · 13-08-2015, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Taf

I do not, but someone, or some group, within the council, is trying very hard to make this city very anti-car and very pro-bus. And by now bowing to the demands of cyclists they have removed the main benefit of the bus lanes, namley mass public transport on dedicated lanes to allow them to run on time.

To do this they have, as I said before, taken up huge chunks of road-space for bus lanes.

And now they have closed the bus station, which is outside the main rail station, and taken up more road space for off-site bus "halts".

Not at all an integrated transport arrangement, but a disintegrated transport system.

Ok, but these are regional issues and it sounds as if there is a state of current flux that is inconveniencing all road user groups. All the more reason for it to be thought through and developed before any new system is established. Hopefully, cycling will feature as part of those discussions and not, as has been the case, thought about after the event.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Whilst some cyclists can be a PITA weaving in and out, we car-drivers have to bear in mind we can do a lot more damage to them than they can to us in the event of a collision.

Quite. It would be much better if we could get away from this 'them and us' stuff and try to come up with solutions rather than arguments.

papa smurf · 13-08-2015, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Kursk

I agree. Starting immediately we should identify entire road routes reserved only for cyclists. This will separate the stupid from the stupid.

IMHO there are many circumstances in which a red light can be safely passed by a cautious cyclist. The French Government agree.

and they are idiots

**Hugh** · 13-08-2015, 15:16

In lots of states in the USA (and Canada), you can turn right on a stop-light (but you have to check for cyclists and pedestrians).

Kursk · 13-08-2015, 15:17

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

and they are idiots

You're the one in the red tights mon ami

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Originally Posted by Hugh

In lots of states in the USA (and Canada), you can turn right on a stop-light (but you have to check for cyclists and pedestrians).

So we are way behind. No change there then.

papa smurf · 13-08-2015, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You wouldn't think so, if you drove down the A660 into Leeds each day - there is a cycle lane most of the way, but the very high number of motorists I see most days cutting into it, without looking to see if there is a cyclist close by, as they undertake because another car is turning right.

When I passed my driving test in West Berlin in the 70's, we were always taught to look over our right shoulder when turning, in case a cyclist was in your blind spot - neither of my kids were taught this in the UK.

Whilst some cyclists can be a PITA weaving in and out, we car-drivers have to bear in mind we can do a lot more damage to them than they can to us in the event of a collision.

and what of the damage done to one's car by these irresponsible uninsured prats .

Arthurgray50@blu · 13-08-2015, 20:45

I have said this before. CYCLISTS are dangerous. Tonight for example, l was coming home from Northolt, l travel across the A40.

A cyclist cycled through a RED light onto a busy junction, people were tooting him, his reply was a four letter word, a police car went by did NOTHING.

They are a danger on the road, and the best laugh was last week in the West End, one of those three wheelers taxi things NO LIGHTS, going through traffic at 1030. I asked him where his lights were, as l couldn't see him - his reply was 'p=== off' you cannot win until the local authority start hitting them with tickets

**Hugh** · 13-08-2015, 22:04

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

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and what of the damage done to one's car by these irresponsible uninsured prats .

It can be repaired - often the dead or very seriously injured can't be.

It's not equivalence - it's like bringing a Mac-10 to a fistfight; one side is going to lose badly.....

Pierre · 13-08-2015, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh

It can be repaired - often the dead or very seriously injured can't be.

It's not equivalence - it's like bringing a Mac-10 to a fistfight; one side is going to lose badly.....

Darwinism.

Kursk · 14-08-2015, 00:11

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

They are a danger on the road, and the best laugh was last week in the West End, one of those three wheelers taxi things NO LIGHTS, going through traffic at 1030. I asked him where his lights were, as l couldn't see him - his reply was 'p=== off' you cannot win until the local authority start hitting them with tickets

No likey no lighty?

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and what of the damage done to one's car by these irresponsible uninsured prats .

If your car is damaged, your car insurance will cover it. If you damage their bike, your car insurance will cover it. Who's uninsured?

papa smurf · 14-08-2015, 06:27

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Originally Posted by Kursk

No likey no lighty?

If your car is damaged, your car insurance will cover it. If you damage their bike, your car insurance will cover it. Who's uninsured?

the moral of this story is if you have a collision with a cyclist make sure you get your moneys worth

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Darwinism.

i wonder what the predicted extinction date is ?

**Hugh** · 14-08-2015, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Darwinism.

Well, I value a human life more than I value my car....

Gary L · 14-08-2015, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, I value a human life more than I value my car....

With me it's. You touch my car, You die.

Kursk · 14-08-2015, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Gary L

With me it's. You touch my car, You die.

Your Skoda is worth less than most modern bikes

And injuries to a cyclist are going to cost you the value of your house. Good luck.

Gary L · 14-08-2015, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Your Skoda is worth less than most modern bikes

And injuries to a cyclist are going to cost you the value of your house. Good luck.

I was talking in general. not just bikes.
and besides dead men can't talk. and there won't be any witnesses