France expels its gypsies - Page 9

28-09-2010, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Man the border points

it'll be a good test as to how commited the new government is towards immigration control

Taf · 28-09-2010, 19:43

The trouble is that these Romanians can come here on holiday, but can't work except under certain rules... and I reckon a lot won't even consider "work" as their method of income.

28-09-2010, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Taf

The trouble is that these Romanians can come here on holiday, but can't work except under certain rules... and I reckon a lot won't even consider "work" as their method of income.

i agree ,they will live on fringes of society moving around so it will be impossible to keep track of them
I think this is a problem that needs to be tackled by all euro member countries not just passed on to one country to deal with ,and they need to start with romania itself and tackle the issues that stop it supporting it's own citizens

Gary L · 28-09-2010, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Taf

The trouble is that these Romanians can come here on holiday, but can't work except under certain rules... and I reckon a lot won't even consider "work" as their method of income.

I say as an expirement we should just let whoever wants to come in to come in. give them full benefits, health care and everything.

I spoke too soon.

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Benefits tourists are set to get the green light to come to Britain and immediately claim handouts totalling Â£2.5billion a year.
According to documents leaked to the Mail, ministers have been warned that restrictions on claims by immigrants are against the law and must be scrapped.
The European Commission's ruling threatens to open the door to tens of thousands who are currently deterred from coming to Britain.

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Britain had toughened up its rules in 2004 when the EU was expanding its borders. The restrictions assess the eligibility of those from the EU and from Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway.

But the Commission has begun legal proceedings against Britain to get restrictions on welfare claims by incomers scrapped.

If successful, the Government would be required to remove its deterrents to benefit tourism, including the right-to-reside test and an additional qualification for those claiming jobseeker’s allowance, that they must have worked for 12 months or more.

Officials warn the bill could be between Â£1.3billion and Â£2.5billion a year – hampering plans to rein in welfare spending.

However, Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith is understood to be determined to fight the move through the courts if necessary.

The Whitehall source warned: ‘This has the potential to open the doors of the benefits system to anyone coming here from the entire European economic area, who may have no intention of working or even looking for work but simply wants to claim benefits.

'We already have enough of a problem managing people who want to come here. But this would open up a whole new wave of benefit tourism.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz10qtdsoJU

**Hugh** · 28-09-2010, 19:53

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Originally Posted by martyh

well it had to happen

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Iiordan Marian is among thousands who have just been expelled from France.
He said police had forced him onto a plane and smashed his camp
They did though give him 300 Euros compensation, which he spent on car air fresheners.
He says he will sell them on the streets of London, because he believes his desired destination of Britain has a generous benefits system and respects human rights

link

Further down that link Mr Marian contradicts his earlier comment

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Sky News was told 90% of the Roma who have been deported from France have now left the village for Britain, Germany or Spain, in the belief those countries represent a softer option.

Marian though is going back to France, with him and his five children already having packed their bags.

"There's nothing here," he said.

"I can go to France and win my bread easily. In four months I can make enough money to feed my family for one year."

Stand down the Border Patrols....

28-09-2010, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Further down that link Mr Marian contradicts his earlier comment

Stand down the Border Patrols....

That's the thing isn't it ,this country is in as bad a financial state or worse than the rest of europe so what opportunities exist here that don't in the rest of the main countries like spain ,germany and france ?.I don't see any benefit in any migrants comming here ,the benefit system is under close scrutinity as is the tax system and trying to milk either one by migrants is only going to get harder ,work opportunities aren't any better in this country either

frogstamper · 29-09-2010, 05:32

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I say as an expirement we should just let whoever wants to come in to come in. give them full benefits, health care and everything.

I spoke too soon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz10qtdsoJU

I would take what the Daily Hate writes on immigration with a pinch of salt Gary, invariably they fail to print the entire story with all the facts.
It suits their agenda to print sensational headlines claiming Britain is sinking under a biblical tsunami of scrounging, thieving ner-do-well immigrants who are hellbent on bringing down the British establishment...remember they have previous, an awful lot of previous.

Derek · 29-09-2010, 13:45

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11437361

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The European Commission is to launch legal proceedings against France over its expulsion of Romanian and Bulgarian Roma (Gypsy) migrants.

Now if the proceedings go against them do you think the French will:

A- Comply fully and with no fuss
Or
B- Ignore the ruling and continue doing as they please?

**Chris** · 29-09-2010, 13:49

B. And so they should. Not that I agree with their actions in this case, but IMO the governments of nation states should be answerable to their electorates, not free trade associations with ideas way above their station.

Ignitionnet · 29-09-2010, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Chris

B. And so they should. Not that I agree with their actions in this case, but IMO the governments of nation states should be answerable to their electorates, not free trade associations with ideas way above their station.

If you get the chance please remind our government of that.

TheNorm · 30-09-2010, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Chris

...IMO the governments of nation states should be answerable to their electorates....

And what if the electorate decided that the Roma should be rounded up and put into camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards?

Taf · 30-09-2010, 11:22

Sounds like a useful idea prior to shipping them away... would keep them out of trouble.

**Chris** · 30-09-2010, 11:25

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

And what if the electorate decided that the Roma should be rounded up and put into camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards?

That would depend on exactly who, and why. I'm not going to start theorizing on vague generalisations.

TheNorm · 30-09-2010, 11:33

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Originally Posted by Chris

That would depend on exactly who, and why. I'm not going to start theorizing on vague generalisations.

Vague?

And why does it depend on "...who, and why"? Can you suggest a situation where such behavior would be acceptable?

**Chris** · 30-09-2010, 11:35

I've a better idea - it's your scenario, you flesh it out, then we can discuss it more effectively.