Christians arrested for defending their beliefs - Page 9

Xaccers · 22-09-2009, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Gary L

if you upset someone about their beliefs, there's a good chance they'll kill you for it.

What do you base that claptrap on?

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Russ B

And in time-honoured tradition, just as peace descends on this type of thread, the armchair experts arrive to tell us, totally off-topic, that they disagree with religion and how wrong it is.

It's not totally off topic at all. it's along the same lines as the original point of the discussion as in post #1.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

What do you base that claptrap on?

Many things really. past, present and future.

Xaccers · 22-09-2009, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Many things really. past, present and future.

Please detail them.

Russ · 22-09-2009, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Gary L

It's not totally off topic at all. it's along the same lines as the original point of the discussion as in post #1.

We all know you don't like religion, you make sure you post that fact in each religion-based thread. Your post brought nothing new to this.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Many things really. past, present and future.

But nothing you can actually put your finger on, obviously.

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Please detail them.

It's probably best if you start a new thread. it'll be off topic for this one.

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Originally Posted by Russ B

We all know you don't like religion, you make sure you post that fact in each religion-based thread. Your post brought nothing new to this.

Not that I don't like religion. I just don't care for it.
You can just read my opinion, you don't have to make an issue of it.

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But nothing you can actually put your finger on, obviously.

That's your opinion. I accept yours but you never accept mine.

Russ · 22-09-2009, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Not that I don't like religion. I just don't care for it.
You can just read my opinion, you don't have to make an issue of it.

If you really didn't care for it you wouldn't pop up in religious-based threads with pointless comments.

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That's your opinion. I accept yours but you never accept mine.

That might be because I can't remember you ever validating your view with anything other than "well it's just my opinion".

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 12:36

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Originally Posted by Russ B

If you really didn't care for it you wouldn't pop up in religious-based threads with pointless comments.

I can still have an opinion. I don't care for many things in life, don't mean I have no right to say something about them.
I could have said a lot of things in reply to the subject, but I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't with you

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That might be because I can't remember you ever validating your view with anything other than "well it's just my opinion".

Do you want to go completely off topic and quote them all for me?

Pierre · 22-09-2009, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Not that I don't like religion. I just don't care for it.

Then why don't you formulate a point, by clarifying why you don't care for it.

Anyone can jump onto a thread and spout inane statements.

That is just like going onto the MEP thread and saying, "MEPs are useless" and when then asked to back up such a statement about what contribution thay make to our evolving european super state and their direct impact on our lives, saying " Well, I just don't care for them"

As said, nobody will give you flack for having an opinion, as long as it is actually an "opinion".

Russ · 22-09-2009, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I can still have an opinion. I don't care for many things in life, don't mean I have no right to say something about them.
I could have said a lot of things in reply to the subject, but I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't with you

No-one is saying you have no right. But don't get so defensive when people pick you up for posting pointless and off-topic comments, time and time again.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Do you want to go completely off topic and quote them all for me?

The onus wouldn't be on me or anyone else to post them - you made the unfounded comment so it would be up to you to prove it.

But yes, fortunately for you there's an excellent get-out clause here - to do so would be even more off-topic.

22-09-2009, 12:45

Why is it some people seem to feel to be atheist means you have to hate religion because you don't and you do not have to spout drivel hiding behind "it's mt opinion". I am atheist i am one for my own personal reasons that i don't expect everyone else to agree on and i don't hate reliigion or those who follow it. i respect them in how they choose to live their life as i hope they respect me in my choice of living and that we can agree to disagree on that one issue. I also fully support the rights of anyone to follow whatever belief system they wish too and gain comfort from and would fight tooth and nail to stop any oprpression of that in anyway by anyone or anything and personally i think thats how it should be.

In this case i think these owners are using christianity to cover what are probably rather ignorant personal views more then anything and as such this is not really a christianity vs islam matter. Whatever else we think of this particular matter lets not follow their example by being offensive or insulting to others in this thread.

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 12:50

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As said, nobody will give you flack for having an opinion, as long as it is actually an "opinion".

Religion is evil: I think religion is evil to mankind in the way that it brings on war, resentment and hate to each other.

if you upset someone about their beliefs, there's a good chance they'll kill you for it: some people are that obsessed with their beliefs in something that might not be real, that if you suggest that the thing might not be real, they could quite possibly want to kill you for even suggesting it might not be real.

or if it's not the reality of the thing you are talking about, but another opinion you have of the thing, they could quite possibly want to kill you for even mentioning it.

It's like we ignore peoples views on that aliens and fairies exist, but we don't have such a reaction from those people in the way that the others do or might.

That is my opinion as requested.

22-09-2009, 12:52

It isn't religion that is evil it is people and how they interpret it as all religions at their core have a bias towards good and the best in humanity as far as i have ever read.

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Russ B

No-one is saying you have no right. But don't get so defensive when people pick you up for posting pointless and off-topic comments, time and time again.

Live and let live Russ. life will be so much more relaxed if you do

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The onus wouldn't be on me or anyone else to post them - you made the unfounded comment so it would be up to you to prove it.

Nobody has to prove an opinion to make it a valid one.

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But yes, fortunately for you there's an excellent get-out clause here - to do so would be even more off-topic.

Which you have said numerous times that I am being when I'm not. it's like a get-out clause in reverse.

Russ · 22-09-2009, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Religion is evil: I think religion is evil to mankind in the way that it brings on war, resentment and hate to each other.

if you upset someone about their beliefs, there's a good chance they'll kill you for it: some people are that obsessed with their beliefs in something that might not be real, that if you suggest that the thing might not be real, they could quite possibly want to kill you for even suggesting it might not be real.

or if it's not the reality of the thing you are talking about, but another opinion you have of the thing, they could quite possibly want to kill you for even mentioning it.

It's like we ignore peoples views on that aliens and fairies exist, but we don't have such a reaction from those people in the way that the others do or might.

That is my opinion as requested.

Wonderful. Back on-topic now which, seeing as you've got your 'point' out of the way, is about a Christian couple facing prosecution over what they said offending a Muslim.

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 12:58

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It isn't religion that is evil it is people and how they interpret it as all religions at their core have a bias towards good and the best in humanity as far as i have ever read.

I agree to a point. but the evil stems from the religious aspect of it. whether the person or persons are evil in the first place doesn't really matter.