Relationships and religion

Originally Posted by Drudge

Of course they might, Bifta, I've done it many times myself. After all, I am the traveller from K-PAX.

I still haven't seen that ...

Bifta - yes, according to the Bible that's exactly what will happen - it uses phrases like 'two will be working in the field, one will be taken and the other will be left', and 'in the twinkling of an eye'.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by towny

I still haven't seen that ...

Bifta - yes, according to the Bible that's exactly what will happen - it uses phrases like 'two will be working in the field, one will be taken and the other will be left', and 'in the twinkling of an eye'.

O.k. so ... I'll make sure I have a spare christian with me at all times .. as soon as he goes poof, I'll be a-repenting! But seriously though ... that'd be some miracle, probably enough to turn a huge percentage of the population to christianity ... or will it be too late?

Originally Posted by Drudge

Of course they might, Bifta, I've done it many times myself. After all, I am the traveller from K-PAX.

HA HA HA Very funny, I've seen that film, it's very good

[Tiptoes]

I think you all need to go read the Book of Hiram and put this religous tripe into perspective

Originally Posted by Bifta

O.k. so ... I'll make sure I have a spare christian with me at all times .. as soon as he goes poof, I'll be a-repenting! But seriously though ... that'd be some miracle, probably enough to turn a huge percentage of the population to christianity ... or will it be too late?

During Earth's last few years, the book of Revelation says, the shock of all those people vanishing will cause a large number of people who were sceptical before to re-think and become Christians. However an even larger number of people will believe the lies of an emerging world leader that the vanished Christians have suffered some kind of divine judgement and that the world is better off without them. This emerging leader is commonly known as The Antichrist.

Christian philosophers have a range of views on exactly how all this will pan out. Some say the Rapture happens at the start of the final seven years; some say it happens after 3 and a half years of the final seven, some say it happens at the end of the seven years just before the world ends anyway and a few don't believe it will happen at all. This last option is hardest to understand as the Bible is quite plain on the subject that it is going to happen. The exact timing is more difficult because the book fo Revelation is written in extremely metaphorical language.

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

I think you all need to go read the Book of Hiram and put this religous tripe into perspective

I don't believe I've had the pleasure of reading that book. Perhaps you could summarise it for us?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

why call it "satanism" then?.. what you've descibed above, is humanism..
satanism is anti-god by definition, so why not bring His point of view into it?

See that's the normal misconception about satanism, it's all that holywood/catholic rubbish about killing virgins and worshipping the devil.
Why would the devil want people to worship him?
A deity would have to be pretty feeble/insecure to demand worship, or fear the lack of worship (maybe Terry Pratchett is right?)

Satanists feel that lucifer, bringer of light, gave them free choice by talking eve into eating from the tree of knowledge, and also forcing god into giving humans free choice, however god's more underhand than the devil, so added the "cake or death" clause ("you are free to live how I demand, or you die")

They feel although he wasn't able to free the angels, he saw a chance to free the humans, and so took it.

He doesn't want worship (the stereotypical satanist is as hypocritacal as the stereotypical christians, you know the sort, view it as a one day a week religion), all he asks for is we use the gift he gave us, free choice, and the responsibilities that come with it. He wants us to succeed without any intervention, to help prove god wrong.

Humanists strip out the religious overtones of that and acknowledge that what we do is up to us, and down to us.
No one is going to bail us out so we'd better get on and sort our own problems.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by towny

During Earth's last few years, the book of Revelation says, the shock of all those people vanishing will cause a large number of people who were sceptical before to re-think and become Christians. However an even larger number of people will believe the lies of an emerging world leader that the vanished Christians have suffered some kind of divine judgement and that the world is better off without them. This emerging leader is commonly known as The Antichrist.

Christian philosophers have a range of views on exactly how all this will pan out. Some say the Rapture happens at the start of the final seven years; some say it happens after 3 and a half years of the final seven, some say it happens at the end of the seven years just before the world ends anyway and a few don't believe it will happen at all. This last option is hardest to understand as the Bible is quite plain on the subject that it is going to happen. The exact timing is more difficult because the book fo Revelation is written in extremely metaphorical language.

ok, fair enough, so, all the christians on the earth dissapear, a proportion of those left suddenly find their faith, what happens to them, do they dissapear too? Or are they left back on earth until they die?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Bifta

ok, fair enough, so, all the christians on the earth dissapear, a proportion of those left suddenly find their faith, what happens to them, do they dissapear too? Or are they left back on earth until they die?

They stay on earth but are saved. They stay until they either die or until Big J returns.

I think you all need to go read the Book of Hiram and put this religous tripe into perspective

Excuse me but who on earth are you to call my faith 'tripe'?

Do I make such flippant remarks about your beliefs?

[Tiptoes]

I can call yours or anyones faith what I like just as you can call into question my assertions on that faith.

More wars and more people have been killed in the name of religion than any other reason.

For centuries more people have died in the name of religion than any other cause

My belief is simply this.........


Any religion which makes war and takes life is one which should be banned.

Bush claimed his chrisitan beliefs are the foundation for his willingness to fight the terrorists, Fundamentalists claim they kill innocent people with suicide bombs in the name of allah...

Its all crap as far as im concerned....

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

I can call yours or anyones faith what I like just as you can call into question my assertions on that faith.

More wars and more people have been killed in the name of religion than any other reason.

For centuries more people have died in the name of religion than any other cause

My belief is simply this.........


Any religion which makes war and takes life is one which should be banned.

Bush claimed his chrisitan beliefs are the foundation for his willingness to fight the terrorists, Fundamentalists claim they kill innocent people with suicide bombs in the name of allah...

Its all crap as far as im concerned....

I'm sure someone has pointed it out before but religion has nothing to do with war, religion never killed anyone, religion was never the real cause for a war, it's the person/group declaring war that is responsible, if they choose to make excuses like it's "in the name of religion" then that's up to them, but that doesn't neccesarily make it so.

[Russ]

I may question someone's belief but there is no way I would insult them in that way. I have the right to my beliefs without having them isulted. Yes wars have started in the name of religion and it's attitudes such as yours which certainly do not help. Calling it 'crap' isn't doing much for world peace, is it?

People get beaten up over their soccer teams, do you deride football?

I agree that ANYONE who persecutes or kills in the name of their religion is a problem, fortunately they are in the minority.

[Tiptoes]

Originally Posted by Russ D

They stay on earth but are saved. They stay until they either die or until Big J returns.



Excuse me but who on earth are you to call my faith 'tripe'?

Do I make such flippant remarks about your beliefs?

Oh and does it matter who or what I am?

Does that make my view any less important?

Also a faith isnt yours to own it is something you are entitled to beleive in IE you belong to the faith if you abide by its rules and regulation.

Which I presume you do seen as you advocate it.

[Russ]

I don't really care who or what you are, but when addressing someone's beliefs and faith on here you are to do it respectfully. You don't have to agree with anything I say about Christianity other than respect differing beliefs than your own.

[Tiptoes]

Originally Posted by Russ D

People get beaten up over their soccer teams, do you deride football?

A very good point and looking at it in that perspective along with biftas comments no I wouldnt

The big difference being though "Millions" of people worlwide haven't died in the name of football.


so its not a real world comparison to compare religious wars with football violence is it?