Government & Post Election Discussion

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Section 7 in that PDF resolves OB's main complaint.

As I said he's reading more into it than is what is required.

Unfortunately, it doesn't. If you just look at the summary paragraphs, this doesn't look too bad, but read the detail behind it, and the reality becomes clear.

Anyway, let's move on. We are not getting anywhere here. If the amount of denial on this forum is reflected throughout organisations, there will be a lot of panicking going on further down the road.

[denphone]

The Conservatives are bracing themselves for disaster in next month's local elections.

All 32 London boroughs are up for election, and nothing is certain. Not so long ago, the Tory party knew that — no matter how bleak the national picture — there were parts of the capital that would always remain blue. Westminster, Kensington and Chelsea, Wandsworth — these boroughs were the jewels in the Conservative crown. Even at the height of Tony Blair’s popularity, the party held on to them.

For an idea of how bad things look, consider the Tory peer and psephologist Robert Hayward’s recent projection that the Conservatives will lose about 100 council seats of their 612, which would be a worse result than in 1994, just a few years before Tony Blair’s first landslide

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/...e-the-capital/

Jewish population in London is huge, they would not vote in a Anti-Semitic party by any shot.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

The Conservatives are bracing themselves for disaster in next month's local elections.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/...e-the-capital/

Not surprised one iota, Theresa May's pandering to Brextremists may go down well outside London but not in it. Whilst the Brexit vote was seen by some as a protest vote, the local council elections are being seen by some as a protest vote against the Government's extreme interpretation of the protest vote. Interesting times. I feel sorry for local councillors fighting for local issues who are set to be unseated by national issues, but I guess it has always been so.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not surprised one iota, Theresa May's pandering to Brextremists may go down well outside London but not in it. Whilst the Brexit vote was seen by some as a protest vote, the local council elections are being seen by some as a protest vote against the Government's extreme interpretation of the protest vote. Interesting times. I feel sorry for local councillors fighting for local issues who are set to be unseated by national issues, but I guess it has always been so.

Yes it has and shows the stupidity of a large part of the electorate.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not surprised one iota, Theresa May's pandering to Brextremists may go down well outside London but not in it. Whilst the Brexit vote was seen by some as a protest vote, the local council elections are being seen by some as a protest vote against the Government's extreme interpretation of the protest vote. Interesting times. I feel sorry for local councillors fighting for local issues who are set to be unseated by national issues, but I guess it has always been so.

l think you are overestimating the influence of Brexit on voters Andrew when its comes to them voting at the ballot box as there are many other important issues affecting this country currently.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

l think you are overestimating the influence of Brexit on voters Andrew when its comes to them voting at the ballot box as there are many other important issues affecting this country currently.

London's different from the rest of the country, Den. This is not my insight, it's come from research conducted by Conservative Central Office. The ousting of the Conservatives in Wandsworth would have not even been thought possible two years ago.

To quote from the article that you posted "The two biggest problems on the doorstep are Theresa May, who seems to embody a Shires Toryism, and Brexit, which three-in-five Londoners voted against."

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

London's different from the rest of the country, Den. This is not my insight, it's come from research conducted by Conservative Central Office. The ousting of the Conservatives in Wandsworth would have not even been thought possible two years ago.

Is it as significant cuts to council spending budgets affect the populace on a daily basis Andrew with services which has been cut significantly to the bone so much so that many councils are just about managing a very basic service while many of our important services like the NHS , etc , etc are having widespread day to day problems just keeping their head above the water.


https://www.citymetric.com/politics/...d-numbers-3773

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-43451926

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Jewish population in London is huge, they would not vote in a Anti-Semitic party by any shot.

That should boost the struggling Liberal Democrats, as many Jews detected anti-semitism in Theresa May's "Citizen of the World, citizen of nowhere speech."
https://www.thejc.com/blogs/the-jc-b...g-here-1.51278

Anyone that votes acertain way in local elections because of brexit is stupid the hint is in the title "local" and if they haven't come to terms with brexit by now that's their problem but voting a certain way because of brexit in local elections shows that stupidity is present on both sides of the issue.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Anyone that votes acertain way in local elections because of brexit is stupid the hint is in the title "local" and if they haven't come to terms with brexit by now that's their problem but voting a certain way because of brexit in local elections shows that stupidity is present on both sides of the issue.

Brexit has really nothing to do with it. There has always been a majority who use the local elections as a protest vote for whatever reason against whichever party in power.

That is where the stupidity arises.

Yes and those same people will complain they are not listened too on local matters when they waste a big part of their say with irrelevant reasoning.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Jewish population in London is huge, they would not vote in a Anti-Semitic party by any shot.

I wouldn't describe it as "huge". 172,000 from a population of around 8.8 million, just under 2%.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not surprised one iota, Theresa May's pandering to Brextremists may go down well outside London but not in it. Whilst the Brexit vote was seen by some as a protest vote, the local council elections are being seen by some as a protest vote against the Government's extreme interpretation of the protest vote. Interesting times. I feel sorry for local councillors fighting for local issues who are set to be unseated by national issues, but I guess it has always been so.

Er - the voters voted for Brexit, Andrew. Theresa May didn't. So why is this a protest against Theresa May?

The world's gone mad!

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Originally Posted by denphone

Is it as significant cuts to council spending budgets affect the populace on a daily basis Andrew with services which has been cut significantly to the bone so much so that many councils are just about managing a very basic service while many of our important services like the NHS , etc , etc are having widespread day to day problems just keeping their head above the water.


https://www.citymetric.com/politics/...d-numbers-3773

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-43451926

Yes it's a shame the economy was left in such a mess by the last Labour Government. Had it not been for their 13 year spending spree, we would be in a much better place now.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Er - the voters voted for Brexit, Andrew. Theresa May didn't. So why is this a protest against Theresa May?

The world's gone mad!

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Yes it's a shame the economy was left in such a mess by the last Labour Government. Had it not been for their 13 year spending spree, we would be in a much better place now.

The 9 years of ineptitude, infighting, EU obsessed Tories since then might also be a factor. How long can they keep blaming Labour?