smoking and the pub

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Shabba

But Ireland is a different country and i live in Nelson, Lancashire. How could you possibly compare the two localities and come to the same conclusion?

Ireland is roughly fairly similar to the UK for a lot of things. In fact I'd even go as far to say there was more smoking in Irish pubs than you would get in a UK one before the ban.

As it was there were dire predictions that thousands of bars would close and they haven't. People have moved on and adapted. The same will happen here.

I think withdrawal of Social Services might be seen as an advantage in some homes..

However it might be playing into the hands of potential child abusers so I suspect that one won't run...

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by danielf

On what basis? As far as I can see, people are perfectly within their right to smoke in their own home. The council may request them to not smoke, but they would appear to be on dodgy grounds to withdraw the service on the basis of someone smoking? (Or would this be considered abuse towards the worker?)

Sorry boss

er no, the visiting care worker is entitled to have their h and s respected. no dodgy grounds to withdraw the service provided the home owner is aware of the issue before threats to withdraw the service are made. just as a care worker is entitled to stay away if you have other safety issues, e.g. wires hanging out of sockets, stairs with no banisters etc

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Shabba

Please don't answer for me!

Then don't make a sweeping generalisation on something you actually don't know the answer to, unless of course you've been out every night polling local smokers, which I sincerely doubt you have.

But Ireland is a different country and i live in Nelson, Lancashire. How could you possibly compare the two localities and come to the same conclusion?

You think you have less smokers? Doubtful.

This law is to protect those who wish not to breath second hand smoke. Fair enough, go elsewhere like your poncy little coffe shops for a half decaff and couisant or go to the off licence and get a six pack of stella that you can drink in your own smoke free zone. I bought the cigs in a public place so why can't i smoke them there?

I was selfish when I was a smoker, at least now me being selfish is for the good of your health

Think about this, when the smoking ban is introduced (and make no mistake about it, it will be), You'll be the one heading the off license and I'll be the one who continues drinking in pubs.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Bars that do have beer gardens will buy those big patio heaters - great for the environment

looks like you aren't the only one to think that

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4719654.stm

What do MP's think their role is?Is it to protect ALL their constituents or just those that fit in with their notions of the correct manner in which to live?Trouble is that this lot have got the bit between their teeth after banning fox hunting and now smoking.The next thing will be the issue of parents and physical punishment closely followed possibly by banning angling.In fact they will be banning anything that does not actually involve any pursuit that they themselves indulge in.This lot are the sort to ban football because it leads to football hooliganism.

As a non smoker I was not actually against a ban on smoking in public places but if they are going to chase after them into the streets I say enough is enough.Smoking a cigarette IS STILL NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE.Let's leave smokers alone in the garden FFS.

Stuff New Labour,Give me the Old Guard anyday,at least they left smokers and drinkers alone.

I agree in part wiht the smoking ban and I am a social smoker.

I really think it will affect some pubs, but not all.

Ireland implemented it and yeah it works, the only problem now is the mountains of fag butts on the floor outside every bar. Might have clean air in the pubs but the street are filthy in Dublin.

Has the gov stopped to wonder where it thinks the tax is gonna come from when they stop everyone from smoking? Do they think they can raise income tax to cover it? Why is it that this gov wants to stop everyone from dying then moans it cant afford pensions for the elderly?

just because I rarely go out drinking I would stick two fingers up at blair. If I want to smoke I will, I just wont go out for a drink I'll stay at home, drinking my UK duty unpaid french beer and smoking my UK duty unpaid tobacco.

[punky]

The next step? Where will it end?

[herbert clinker]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Has the gov stopped to wonder where it thinks the tax is gonna come from when they stop everyone from smoking? Do they think they can raise income tax to cover it? Why is it that this gov wants to stop everyone from dying then moans it cant afford pensions for the elderly?

they've already worked this one out mate by having a relaxation in the rules governing the use of speed camera's.

what they lose out on in fags they get back from speeding motorists.

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Originally Posted by punky

The next step? Where will it end?

do you know. the way this countries going i'd stick my head in the gas oven and kill myself only thing is i can't afford the gas.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by punky

The next step? Where will it end?

If you can be prosecuted for drinking out of a bottle at the wheel, why not for smoking a cigarette?

[Salu]

There are many people who have had car accidents by dropping a stub between their legs as they drive and burning their testamonials....

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Russ D

If you can be prosecuted for drinking out of a bottle at the wheel, why not for smoking a cigarette?

A few times I've seen people lighting cigarettes with a lighter whilst driving. Both hands off the wheel and eyes off the road as well for a few seconds.

At least, if not more, dangerous than taking a drink while driving.

[Pierre]

oh dear.

Soon the cigarette police will be kicking down peoples doors dragging them outside and executing them.

They should also ban passengers that can distract the driver.

They should also ban babys in baby seats in cars that distract the driver.

They should also ban GPS systems that force people to not to look at the road 100% of the time.

Thye should ban billboards

Good looking women

In fact they should monitor you eyes and if you're not looking at the road 100% of the time you should be fined and given three points.

The fact is you don't look at the 100% of the time, you are distracted by many things - Does that mean you are not in control of the vehicle - of course not.

[Pia]

Originally Posted by Salu

There are many people who have had car accidents by dropping a stub between their legs as they drive and burning their testamonials....

I agree smoking whilst driving can be dangerous... But they should really be concentrating on more dangerous aspects of driving IMO.

Maybe they should ban toddlers in cars because they are too distracting
Or car radios....

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Dammit Pierre beat me to it

[herbert clinker]

Originally Posted by Pierre

oh dear.

Soon the cigarette police will be kicking down peoples doors dragging them outside and executing them.

They should also ban passengers that can distract the driver.

They should also ban babys in baby seats in cars that distract the driver.

They should also ban GPS systems that force people to not to look at the road 100% of the time.

Thye should ban billboards

Good looking women

In fact they should monitor you eyes and if you're not looking at the road 100% of the time you should be fined and given three points.

The fact is you don't look at the 100% of the time, you are distracted by many things - Does that mean you are not in control of the vehicle - of course not.