ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase - Page 80

jrhnewark · 14-10-2005, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Ignition

Personally I think they should stick to the current 10:1 ratio and do some traffic management to ensure that gack doesn't clog the upstreams

1Mbps on 10Mbps down is fair - I'm fine with that. I'm not fine with 100kbps on a 1Mbps down connection.

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This way upstream is available when it's needed, while P2P rapeage is controlled accordingly. I've little time for people who upload 24x7, no need for it.

Hmm, I upload 24/7. I run quite a bit of stuff - webcams, a home server, FTP, VNC, so there's always something going out. I don't feel it has anything to do with you or anyone else.

But, at the end of the day, it's not like I could clog up the network particularly badly. I only have 100kbps upstream, remember?

14-10-2005, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Ignition

However Telewest's about 30:1 is farcical and a product of both their obsession with remaining uncapped and their pre-existing issues with upstream congestion.

An one wonders for how long can it be sustained

dayloon · 14-10-2005, 14:04

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Originally Posted by jrhnewark

Gimme a break from all this "it's all those people using P2P would must be sharing dodgy Madonna MP3s - boo hoo!!".

I didn't say anything about sharing dodgy p2p stuff. Im the last person to be lecturing people on that. I just didn't understand why upload speed is so vital to some people.

orangebird · 14-10-2005, 14:07

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Originally Posted by dayloon

I didn't say anything about sharing dodgy p2p stuff. Im the last person to be lecturing people on that. I just didn't understand why upload speed is so vital to some people.

Running 'businesses' on residential services possibly...

jrhnewark · 14-10-2005, 14:10

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Originally Posted by dayloon

I didn't say anything about sharing dodgy p2p stuff. Im the last person to be lecturing people on that. I just didn't understand why upload speed is so vital to some people.

Sorry, must be my old age.

Anyway, as I say, all manner of things: running a little web server, FTP server, VOIP, audio/video streaming, VNC. If you want to use VOIP and still have your server running, as well as perhaps a webcam, you'd need a good 0.5Mbps to keep it all running smoothly. This is much more than the 0.3Mbps top-tier that NTL currently offer.

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Running 'businesses' on residential services possibly...

An odd presumption, surely? See my list above.

orangebird · 14-10-2005, 14:27

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Originally Posted by jrhnewark

Sorry, must be my old age.

Anyway, as I say, all manner of things: running a little web server, FTP server, VOIP, audio/video streaming, VNC. If you want to use VOIP and still have your server running, as well as perhaps a webcam, you'd need a good 0.5Mbps to keep it all running smoothly. This is much more than the 0.3Mbps top-tier that NTL currently offer.

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An odd presumption, surely? See my list above.

Not at all. You'd be amazed at how many people try and run businesses off residentila connections and then p & moan about the caps.... rolleyes:

Scopeuk · 14-10-2005, 15:18

i'll admit im a 300k user but i do fine my upload appauling
if i was to try and play any online games whilst the webam is being used i whould lag that much i couldent walk

RoNa7dO · 14-10-2005, 15:25

i was just reading bbc news and i found out that ntl has allready started rolling out 10Mbps.. i dont know if its the truth..

i hope its real

you guys can check in here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4341558.stm

""Increased competition
Cable companies, such as NTL, have already started rolling out basic broadband speeds of 10Mbps.""

Robc66 · 14-10-2005, 15:26

Why dont NTL realise that we all want more upload? They always say that people only want more download but it is not true at all.
Even sombody who just uses the internet a little would benefit a lot from it because they will probablly be running webcams and other things which require more upload. Instead of making the download speed go to amazingly fast like 50 or 100Mbit they should sort the upload speed out first!

etccarmageddon · 14-10-2005, 15:40

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Originally Posted by RoNa7dO

i was just reading bbc news and i found out that ntl has allready started rolling out 10Mbps.. i dont know if its the truth..

i hope its real

you guys can check in here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4341558.stm

""Increased competition
Cable companies, such as NTL, have already started rolling out basic broadband speeds of 10Mbps.""

most likely it's poor/lazy reporting by the BBC. bad choice of words - 'roll out' should read 'expecting to roll out by the end of next year...'

ian@huth · 14-10-2005, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Robc66

Why dont NTL realise that we all want more upload? They always say that people only want more download but it is not true at all.
Even sombody who just uses the internet a little would benefit a lot from it because they will probablly be running webcams and other things which require more upload. Instead of making the download speed go to amazingly fast like 50 or 100Mbit they should sort the upload speed out first!

You can only have what the network is capable of providing and it is not capable of providing vast amounts of upload bandwidth. The technology used by the cablecos has limitations and the companies provide various levels of broadband products which are designed to work within those limitations. They provide a contended service which works OK for the vast majority of users who are typical of the model on which the service was designed. Caps exist to ensure that customers have a usage pattern that matches the model. If you want a broadband service and the cable companies offer a product that meets your requirements at a price and with terms and conditions that you are happy with then you choose them as your supplier. If not you look elsewhere.

Robc66 · 14-10-2005, 15:45

Or replace "NTL" with Telewest lol
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Originally Posted by ian@huth

You can only have what the network is capable of providing and it is not capable of providing vast amounts of upload bandwidth. The technology used by the cablecos has limitations and the companies provide various levels of broadband products which are designed to work within those limitations. They provide a contended service which works OK for the vast majority of users who are typical of the model on which the service was designed. Caps exist to ensure that customers have a usage pattern that matches the model. If you want a broadband service and the cable companies offer a product that meets your requirements at a price and with terms and conditions that you are happy with then you choose them as your supplier. If not you look elsewhere.

No i mean that they are upgrading the network to increase the downstream speeds but do hardly anything to the upstream speed. They should put more effort on the upload because the speeds are so poor.

DaggaDagga · 14-10-2005, 16:52

I don't believe there is a clear distinction between business and residential use any more.

In today's wired world, many people depend on their home broadband to work from home. They are not self-employed, as they are an employee like anyone else. They just happen to work from home. Such people do need a decent upload speed, but could hardly be considered to be a business. Perhaps, using the most pedantic of definitions, they should be paying for a business account. In reality, nobody would expect to do this. I doubt most broadband providers would be bothered about anyone doing this.

Internet use evolves constantly. When the BBC launch their peer-to-peer (legal) file sharing software (and many NTL customers will start using it), will the NTL network collapse in a heap?

I have a VOIP phone, which uses about 90kbits each way. Add on a peer-to-peer app and I won't be able to use the web. If my neighbours start using the BBC software, will I be able to use my phone reliably?

th'engineer · 14-10-2005, 17:57

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

most likely it's poor/lazy reporting by the BBC. bad choice of words - 'roll out' should read 'expecting to roll out by the end of next year...'

Or use the old NTL famous saying "coming soon" like the unlimited dial up and broadband did

for ex cwc customers and went again.

jrhnewark · 14-10-2005, 18:01

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Originally Posted by RoNa7dO

i was just reading bbc news and i found out that ntl has allready started rolling out 10Mbps.. i dont know if its the truth..

i hope its real

The problem is that the BBC don't know jack about this sort of thing, and then go and make false statements.

(In the spirit of hoping that they get it right next time, I've just emailed their complaints office...

"I refer to: "Cable companies, such as NTL, have already started rolling out basic broadband speeds of 10Mbps."

It'd be rather nicer if there was a name put to this article, on your website, so I could speak directly with whoever wrote the piece about their (minor, in the scheme of things) error. Clearly, neither the BBC or many of its journalists are satisfied about putting staff names to copy for fear of someone like me finding that you've made a fundamental boo-boo thanks to - plainly - not researching what you're talking about.

As I'm sure you well know, the general public get confused about technology as it is, without your journalists helping them out.

For you information, NTL will begin rolling-out 10Mbps as standard to current 3Mbps users at the end of this year, and to current 1Mbps and 2Mbps users during 2006. Your (wo)man could easily have found this out by quickly searching the internet!

Many thanks for your time.")