Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

Originally Posted by Bifta

Does your school not have remedial classes set up to take these students away from the less disruptive members of the class? I know ours did.

These are not politically correct atm all children must be "included" in normal classes so they don't feel "different".

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by stuartbe

Thats a nice idea but I doubt the budget will cover it. My mother in law is a primary school teacher and she often sits at home struggling with her budget !

I didn't know that, I know our school was grossly underfunded, we didn't only have remedial classes but we also had a whole remedial "school" where the most disruptive were sent along with the kids that had learning difficulties, obviously they were split into different classes but it certainly worked for us.

Originally Posted by Bifta

I'm citing examples of how children that don't have to endure domineering teachers slapping them about will still manage to grow up to be well adjusted human beings, indicating that the problem might NOT be with the parents or teachers not inflicting physical pain but actually with a low standard of parenting.



Does your school not have remedial classes set up to take these students away from the less disruptive members of the class? I know ours did.

Teachers don't actually want to slap children around or dominate them.We just want to do our job and teach them with as little disruption as possible.

As for your second point well these days the answer is that we have an all inclusive education system as many 'special' schools have closed so the burdens on the special needs staff have become astronomical. We can find ourselves dealing with Downs Syndrome children as well as any others with specialised learning difficulties.We will also have to start including the superbright children in the Special Needs funding in the near future.So there is no talk of removing children away to a special unit especially as one SNA may be in a classroom dealing with as many as 6 special needs students..WE just don't have enough staff to do so.Also funding is tight and many children are turned away from being given help.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Teachers don't actually want to slap children around or dominate them.We just want to do our job and teach them with as little disruption as possible.

That counts out a certain primary teacher of mine many years ago that was fond of throwing students out of windows

As for your second point well these days the answer is that we have an all inclusive education system as many 'special' schools have closed so the burdens on the special needs staff have become astronomical. We can find ourselves dealing with Downs Syndrome children as well as any others with specialised learning difficulties.We will also have to start including the superbright children in the Special Needs funding in the near future.So there is no talk of removing children away to a special unit especially as one SNA may be in a classroom dealing with as many as 6 special needs students..WE just don't have enough staff to do so.Also funding is tight and many children are turned away from being given help.

As I said, I had no idea about this, I think it's an absolute bloody disgrace, I know certain local schools that have spent upwards of £100,00 0 this year updating IT equipment that was REALLY not needed.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Bifta

As I said, I had no idea about this, I think it's an absolute bloody disgrace, I know certain local schools that have spent upwards of £100,00 0 this year updating IT equipment that was REALLY not needed.

You'll probably find that the £100,00 0 was allocated to IT by the LEA/Gov and so much as the teachers would like to spend it on more needed resourses, they'd have no way of doing it.

Originally Posted by Bifta

That counts out a certain primary teacher of mine many years ago that was fond of throwing students out of windows



As I said, I had no idea about this, I think it's an absolute bloody disgrace, I know certain local schools that have spent upwards of £100,00 0 this year updating IT equipment that was REALLY not needed.

a lot of 'special' schools have been shut down - what was it "care in the community" - I hope you were on the ground floor, Bifta

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by homealone

a lot of 'special' schools have been shut down - what was it "care in the community" - I hope you were on the ground floor, Bifta

We were on the ground floor, but this man was a complete header. As nutty as a fruitcake, we laugh about it now but someone could have got seriously hurt.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Bifta

I didn't know that, I know our school was grossly underfunded, we didn't only have remedial classes but we also had a whole remedial "school" where the most disruptive were sent along with the kids that had learning difficulties, obviously they were split into different classes but it certainly worked for us.

The thing is that in this political climate, we don't have remedial schools. They simply aren't PC. There is a policy of inclusion that means the entire class suffers if it is 'blessed' with disruptive (sorry, 'challenging') pupils. It's a scandal!

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You'll probably find that the £100,00 0 was allocated to IT by the LEA/Gov and so much as the teachers would like to spend it on more needed resourses, they'd have no way of doing it.

You have to respect every succesive UK government's complete inability to allocate funds where they're most needed, but that's for another thread.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Bifta

You have to respect every succesive UK government's complete inability to allocate funds where they're most needed, but that's for another thread.

Indeed. They are all a bunch of fu*kwhits

[Stuartbe]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Indeed. They are all a bunch of fu*kwhits

I feel for the teachers - When the ofstead comes round I stay well clear of the mother in law

[Florence]

Sorry I need to post just once more.

Originally Posted by Bifta

Mine aren't, my other relations kids aren't, none of my friends that don't hit their children have a problem, sounds like a load of media waffle to me.

Yes some children are really good but these same children still suffer at the hands of the disruptive children. The schools in areaâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s that is poor with large numbers ethnic minorities, younger parents, one parent families. These schools will have more children with behavior problems.

Originally Posted by Bifta

Perhaps the other parent's, who's kids are out on the rampage, are not nurturing enough or are not attentive enough to their childs needs.

This is a larger part of todays society unfortunately. The children are not spoken to and watch TV most of the time.
These parents are either too young themselves, have more than 5 children, was never given the chance themselves, parents in trouble with the police, Traveller children, refugees, Not all aprents come from good areas my school has children from all those. We also have

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Well that's ok then.Bifta's kids and his friends kids are not disruptive so the experiences the rest of us are going through are.....What?Not true.A lie?Poor perception?

Agreed the percentage of children that are disruptive are a very small part of the school population BUT as I have already said it only takes ONE child to totally disrupt a lesson.If you have two or three then the education of a class suffers proportionally.

Incog.

Todays children with behavior problems are more disrubtive show no respect and spoil the lessons for others. The children who are normally good do laugh at these children which encourages them to play up more.

I have worked at this school for 4 years and noticed the problem is growing bigger.... In march we are being ofsteded and we have a short list of children we would like suspended to ease the problem.

[Stuartbe]

It seems a shame that a few children can spoil the education of an entire class !

[Xaccers]

Am I right in thinking that grammer schools enabled the seperation of the brightest kids from the rest?

[Stuartbe]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Am I right in thinking that grammer schools enabled the seperation of the brightest kids from the rest?

They used to segment yes. There was Alpha, Beta and gamma in my school. Alpha had the dim witts (me) and gamma had the smart kids.

It took me over 6 months to move to gamma !