The anyone but England thread! - Page 8

08-06-2006, 23:30

Well, thank goodness it will start soon, and all the hype & speculation can turn to irony & cynicism, once again, when reality kicks in

- If I'm wrong I'll watch from the quarter finals, on

Good luck England, don't get me wrong, but I don't expect a departing manager, an ageing crosser, an injured scouser, the metatarsally challenged shrek, or the untried schoolboy, to gel, much - hope I'm wrong

Russ · 08-06-2006, 23:33

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So, I would just like for people to admit, that this is rivalry thing not a media bigging England thing up

The reason I have my opinions is because I'm tired of, yes, the media ramming it all down my throat and treating us Celts like second class citizens. If all the home nations are playing one night, guess which team gets the most coverage in the news?

If I was a betting man I'd wager that anyone who thinks I'm exaggerting is English

You guys can't see it - it's perfectly normal for you lot to have your team given prominence in the media.

I'm not entirely bitter, that's why I'd like to see an England win. What would annoy me is the fact we wouldn't hear the end of it til 2046 - but that's besides the point.

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I am actually okay about that. I mean, I didn't subscribe into the feeling of supporting Arsenal in the European Cup final just because they were an English team. That would just be wrong, as a Man Utd fan

Me, I went out and bought a Barcelona top

Mal · 08-06-2006, 23:38

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So, I would just like for people to admit, that this is rivalry thing not a media bigging England thing up

The reason I have my opinions is because I'm tired of, yes, the media ramming it all down my throat and treating us Celts like second class citizens. If all the home nations are playing one night, guess which team gets the most coverage in the news?

If I was a betting man I'd wager that anyone who thinks I'm exaggerting is English

You guys can't see it - it's perfectly normal for you lot to have your team given prominence in the media.

I'm not entirely bitter, that's why I'd like to see an England win. What would annoy me is the fact we wouldn't hear the end of it til 2046 - but that's besides the point.

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I am actually okay about that. I mean, I didn't subscribe into the feeling of supporting Arsenal in the European Cup final just because they were an English team. That would just be wrong, as a Man Utd fan

Me, I went out and bought a Barcelona top

Do you actually believe the media and think that all English fans think that we are going to win it?

Okay you may be just fed up with the media, but BR's posts do suggest a rivalry issue, not a media thing. I am just on a crusade for honesty

Russ · 08-06-2006, 23:41

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Do you actually believe the media and think that all English fans think that we are going to win it?

It's not really about whether or not anyone thinks you'll win - it's about complete media saturation and the only way to ensure it dies down as quickly as possible is an England loss, as has been demonstrated for 36 years.

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Okay you may be just fed up with the media, but BR's posts do suggest a rivalry issue, not a media thing. I am just on a crusade for honesty

I refer you to the second post in this thread if you're after my view

danielf · 08-06-2006, 23:41

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You know I said this earlier but I think all this hype started around Euro 96, I can't really remember any real fuss being made prior to competitions before that certainly not the media frenzy we get these days at any rate.

Hmm, you just said 'we have a superb chance of winning'. That smacks of that attitude as well imo. You may have a better chance of winning than in recent years, but superb? I don't know. Realistically, imo, any team that wins it will need (apart from a decent team) a whole lot of luck. Luck in players not getting injured, luck in refereeing decisions going your way. Luck in hitting the target, not the woodwork. Sixteen teams will proceed to the knockout stage. Given their group, I think England will be one of them. Then there's four matches against tough opposition. Hard to call really...

TheDaddy · 08-06-2006, 23:43

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Do you actually believe the media and think that all English fans think that we are going to win it?

Okay you may be just fed up with the media, but BR's posts do suggest a rivalry issue, not a media thing. I am just on a crusade for honesty

I think we have a chance of winning it, even if we didn't at least we could be happy in the knowledge that Sven won't be getting his dirty little hands on an honoury knighthood!

Mal · 08-06-2006, 23:50

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Do you actually believe the media and think that all English fans think that we are going to win it?

It's not really about whether or not anyone thinks you'll win - it's about complete media saturation and the only way to ensure it dies down as quickly as possible is an England loss, as has been demonstrated for 36 years.

But my question was do you believe the media and then think that all English fans think that we will win?

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Okay you may be just fed up with the media, but BR's posts do suggest a rivalry issue, not a media thing. I am just on a crusade for honesty

I refer you to the second post in this thread if you're after my view

Just BR's now

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I think we have a chance of winning it, even if we didn't at least we could be happy in the knowledge that Sven won't be getting his dirty little hands on an honoury knighthood!

I think we have the same chance as anyone else. I don't think that we have an exceptionally good squad though. If all our opponents get the same chef as Tottenham did, then we may increase our chance

Russ · 08-06-2006, 23:55

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But my question was do you believe the media and then think that all English fans think that we will win?

I believe the vast majority of you think you're "in with a chance" - but I see nothing different in this year's squad to that of WC's gone by. Every 4 years we get the same "this is the strongest squad we've ever had" and all the usual pep talks but it never leads to anything. You'll be out by the semis then it'll be weeks of blaming all kinds of things - the pitch, spontanious human combustion, the lack of decent irrigation facilities in remote African countries etc

Mal · 08-06-2006, 23:57

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I believe the vast majority of you think you're "in with a chance" - but I see nothing different in this year's squad to that of WC's gone by. Every 4 years we get the same "this is the strongest squad we've ever had" and all the usual pep talks but it never leads to anything. You'll be out by the semis then it'll be weeks of blaming all kinds of things - the pitch, spontanious human combustion, the lack of decent irrigation facilities in remote African countries etc

Is this belief from what you read in the media or actual fans?

Russ · 08-06-2006, 23:59

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Is this belief from what you read in the media or actual fans?

The papers are full of the usual post mortem after each World Cup exit but also on tv, tune in to Talk Sport, read online, even read CF (or nthw.com as it was back then) and the fans come out with exactly what the papers are saying.

Mal · 09-06-2006, 00:02

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The papers are full of the usual post mortem after each World Cup exit but also on tv,

Don't believe the media

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tune in to Talk Sport,

Full of the usual nutcases, who are on the same level as the media.

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read online, even read CF (or nthw.com as it was back then) and the fans come out with exactly what the papers are saying.

We are not all blinded...

danielf · 09-06-2006, 00:03

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Is this belief from what you read in the media or actual fans?

Is the average fan like me? As in: omg, I hope we don't **** up. Please let us make it to the quarters at least, semis would be great, after that: who knows?

Mal · 09-06-2006, 00:06

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Is the average fan like me? As in: omg, I hope we don't **** up. Please let us make it to the quarters at least, semis would be great, after that: who knows?

Well I'm like that anyway

It just annoys me that the media has painted a picture of the "English" fan and everyone else believes it

TheDaddy · 09-06-2006, 00:10

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I believe the vast majority of you think you're "in with a chance" - but I see nothing different in this year's squad to that of WC's gone by. Every 4 years we get the same "this is the strongest squad we've ever had" and all the usual pep talks but it never leads to anything. You'll be out by the semis then it'll be weeks of blaming all kinds of things - the pitch, spontanious human combustion, the lack of decent irrigation facilities in remote African countries etc

They did used to say that you need three world class players to win the thing, we have five or six, only a couple of other teams can boast that so I'd say we have a pretty fair chance, yes there are a lot of factors that can influence results but generally you get what you deserve, it also depends on what you'd call success is the semi's such a disgrace, were we all so disapointed last time because it could have so easily all been different, I don't know only time will tell I guess, it would be nice to finish the tournament without feeling that we had under achieved whatever happens.

Russ · 09-06-2006, 00:52

You'll feel the same again this year