Election 2019 - Week 5 - Page 8

**Chris** · 10-12-2019, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Those of you who have voted conservative? Are you not embarrassed of your leader?

I also think it is time Jeremy Cobyne stepped down. They need a new leader.

He's not my leader ... and I haven't voted for him.

I've voted for a local businessman who supports centre-right politics and so obviously will support a Conservative government, or oppose a Labour one.

We don't have a presidential system, which means we can't do anything directly about the leaders of the parties whose policies or outlook we support, but on the other hand it does also mean whoever the leader, and PM, turns out to be, they don't get a free hand to do whatever they like, and scandal or loss of confidence can bring them down within a parliamentary term, far more easily than is the case in the USA for example.

I don't like Boris much, but I don't think he's a national security risk, unlike the leader of the opposition - a fear shared by at least one member of shadow cabinet.

OLD BOY · 10-12-2019, 16:23

Looks like the lies and stunts being pulled by Labour are making very little difference to the Conservative lead in the polls.

papa smurf · 10-12-2019, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Those of you who have voted conservative? Are you not embarrassed of your leader?

I also think it is time Jeremy Cobyne stepped down. They need a new leader.

I will vote tory because under them i know my pensions my savings my home and my future will be in safe hands, my children and grandchildren will be safe, corbyn just wants to asset strip everyone to fund his dreams of a communist state and ally himself with the worlds terrorist organisations,he also has a bad rep with jews and i think the world saw enough of that last century.

I think people should work hard to achieve the better things in life, corbyn wants to just give everyone what they desire that's great until he runs out of other people's money to spend then it's bust all over again.

Mr K · 10-12-2019, 17:04

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Looks like the lies and stunts being pulled by Labour are making very little difference to the Conservative lead in the polls.

Not one vote has been cast yet OB, and the polls are always a couple of days behind events. I'm not convinced these polls reach everybody anyway. How they account for ex directory, non survey responders like my goodself

Or the 3 million recent registrations?

As for lies there's only one party peddling those, hence the punch that wasn't yesterday. Just as well there was a camera there eh? Or the the :Fact Check: Twitter site ? Or the lie about 50000 nurses, a lot of whom are already working in the NHS, or the lie about 40 new hospitals most of which already exist....

One things for sure, if the country elects the Tories, they deserve everything they get.

**Chris** · 10-12-2019, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Mr K

One things for sure, if the country elects the Tories, they deserve everything they get.

As I believe this country deserves better than the Michael Foot tribute act currently in charge of the Labour party, I totally agree.

jonbxx · 10-12-2019, 18:55

Has anyone had campaigners at the door at all? I live in a pretty safe Conservative seat but haven't had anyone come round at all. I have met people in the local High Street including our Conservative and Independent candidates which was interesting but nothing from the Lib Dems, Labour or Green parties.

I have had lots of leaflets from everyone except the Greens which I guess makes sense!

The Conservative candidate intervened when one of his campaigners said I looked like someone 'just wants to get Brexit done' to which I replied I would rather it didn't happen at all but if it has to be done, I would rather it was done well than quickly. He said 'oh, you're one of those are you?' which isn't really the way to win hearts and minds!

**Chris** · 10-12-2019, 19:01

We're too rural for door knocking to be effective. They'd spend most of their time driving from house to house and only speak to a handful of people all day. We do always see Tory activists hand-delivering leaflets though. We get stuff through the post from all the candidates but only the Tories hand-deliver around here.

This constituency is on a knife edge, Tory took it from SNP with a majority of around 150 in 2017. At present, on current polling, it is the only Tory seat forecast to go back to the SNP this week.

Carth · 10-12-2019, 19:40

I' haven't had anyone# from any party knocking at the door . .

As for leaflets and political blurb in the post . . sheeesh I really miss that open fire

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it's quite possible they remember what happened the last time

Pierre · 10-12-2019, 20:07

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Has anyone had campaigners at the door at all? I live in a pretty safe Conservative seat but haven't had anyone come round at all. I have met people in the local High Street including our Conservative and Independent candidates which was interesting but nothing from the Lib Dems, Labour or Green parties.

I have had lots of leaflets from everyone except the Greens which I guess makes sense!

The Conservative candidate intervened when one of his campaigners said I looked like someone 'just wants to get Brexit done' to which I replied I would rather it didn't happen at all but if it has to be done, I would rather it was done well than quickly. He said 'oh, you're one of those are you?' which isn't really the way to win hearts and minds!

No one ever knocks on my door, they post flyers and then run away.

Mr K · 10-12-2019, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Pierre

No one ever knocks on my door, they post flyers and then run away.

I'm in a fairy safe Tory constituency, with the the LDs the only possible challengers. I've had no one canvass for years but amazingly I had a Labour person knock on the door the other night. After agreeing on most things, it was more me convincing them that they should vote tactically and not waste their vote which would help the Tory! Felt a bit sorry for them, they did look very cold as well as perplexed about who was canvassing who .... Rotten time of year for the job.

Dave42 · 10-12-2019, 21:29

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Looks like the lies and stunts being pulled by Labour are making very little difference to the Conservative lead in the polls.

of course the Tories never ever tell lies right what about the fake punch story OB tory stunt but that's all fine right

both parties not fit to run a bath never mind the country

1andrew1 · 10-12-2019, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Not one vote has been cast yet OB...

Being pedantic, they have.

A work colleague is constantly telling everyone that she has already voted...by post.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

of course the Tories never ever tell lies right what about the fake punch story OB tory stunt but that's all fine right

both parties not fit to run a bath never mind the country

Nailed it!

Julian · 10-12-2019, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Dave42

of course the Tories never ever tell lies right what about the fake punch story OB tory stunt but that's all fine right

both parties not fit to run a bath never mind the country

Bless whataboutery

Mr K · 11-12-2019, 08:17

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Originally Posted by Julian

Bless whataboutery

Anyway, what about it?

As well as the punch lie, there are the lies about the number of new hospitals/nurses. Whataboutery is very relevant.

Anyone seen this bloke by the way?

Seems to have disappeared. Suspect he'll reappear on Friday to have another kip....

1andrew1 · 11-12-2019, 08:41

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Seems to have disappeared. Suspect he'll reappear on Friday to have another kip....

Yes, JR-M's notable absence has been a feature of the election. As have the Conservatives' misleading social media adverts.

Commendably, no misleading claims were found in Labour's but for the Conservatives "88% (5,952) of the party's most widely promoted ads either featured claims which had been flagged by independent fact-checking organisations (including BBC Reality Check) as not correct or not entirely correct."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50726500