Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
02-03-2014, 09:29
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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I just hope that the warmongers in this country have learnt from the Syria debacle. If it's a Russian backed regime keep clear.
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'Warmongers' 
How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".
Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling.....
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02-03-2014, 09:57
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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Who predicted that?
We went into Afghanistan with the sole intention of removing the Taliban from power. There were always going to be shots fired, I don't recall anyone proposing any different.
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John Reid IIRC. Whatever version of those words he uttered, given what had happened in Iraq, IMHO there was an effort to understate the likely ramifications of any involvement in Afghanistan in order to 'sell' the intervention to parliament and the country. That being my point.
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02-03-2014, 10:04
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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'Warmongers'
How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".
Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling..... |
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02-03-2014, 10:12
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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'Warmongers'
How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".
Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling..... |
Did you say rational debate? Not a snowball's chance in hell of rational debate on CF.. 
Personally I'd settle for a civilised discussion. 
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02-03-2014, 10:13
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
We went into Afghanistan before Iraq .
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02-03-2014, 10:45
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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'Warmongers'
How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".
Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling..... |
I think someone did...
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02-03-2014, 11:01
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
Equally inappropriate, IMHO.
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02-03-2014, 12:08
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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I think someone did... |
I didn't call anyone appeasers. I said telling Ukraine that the EU will pull out of the trade deal and won't help them to avoid upsetting Russia, and effectively ceding them to Russia, would be appeasement. Which it is. Making concessions which are against the will of the country itself in order to avoid conflict is almost the textbook definition of the term.
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02-03-2014, 12:15
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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I didn't call anyone appeasers. I said telling Ukraine that the EU will pull out of the trade deal and won't help them to avoid upsetting Russia, and effectively ceding them to Russia, would be appeasement. Which it is. Making concessions which are against the will of the country itself in order to avoid conflict is almost the textbook definition of the term.
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I think the next 48hrs will make or break this, all it will take is a trigger happy soldier and off it will go. 
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02-03-2014, 12:39
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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I think the next 48hrs will make or break this, all it will take is a trigger happy soldier and off it will go. |
Probably. You suspect that's what they're hoping for. Ukraine should be careful to make sure it's not them. If Russia want a war then they have to be ones to start it (although invading probably counts as starting it).
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02-03-2014, 13:01
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
Full military mobilisation of Ukrainian army and airspace closed to non-civilian air traffic... And NATO emergency meeting this afternoon. Maybe the Turks will deny passage to any warships up the Bosphorous Strait.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26405635
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02-03-2014, 13:03
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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Probably. You suspect that's what they're hoping for. Ukraine should be careful to make sure it's not them. If Russia want a war then they have to be ones to start it (although invading probably counts as starting it).
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I was thinking this morning that this could be another Cuban missile crisis and this time the Russians will not back down.
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02-03-2014, 15:01
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
They've surrounded a Ukrainian infantry base and are refusing entry or exit...
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02-03-2014, 15:25
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
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We went into Afghanistan before Iraq . |
Tora Bora took place in 2001 and bombing started before that , right after 911 i'm pretty sure.
Assuming you mean "Gulf War 2" as opposed to Bush senior's efforts.
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02-03-2014, 17:27
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Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
New head of Ukraine's navy 'defects' in Crimea.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26410431
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