[Merged] NTL - New 1MB / 5GB Cap - should I subscribe @ 300k with NO CAP ?

[mchu6am4]

ANY COMMENTS ON POST #97 ?

ash

I'm going with the upgrade when they ask me, and if I get a letter from them saying I keep going over I'll ring them to get my bandwidth limit increased (or get something like that sorted) otherwise, if I get no messages from them, I'll use it the same as I was before. Probably the best option to do aswell, I don't think they will cut off my internet because I went over by a few MB

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by mchu6am4

ANY COMMENTS ON POST #97 ?

ash

Usually i find salesmen to be dishonest, all they are interested in is selling their product and getting their commision as they know somebody else will have to deal with the problems when you find out what you didn't expect.

Believe the investors report and not the salesman if i were you. The service will be capped if it said so. Though what you said was interesting..i think i'll have to see if the salesmen in my town are already selling the new deal.

[Chrysalis]

Something else I would like to mention as well. ADSL capping that has recently came about is largely related to the BT Central change in charges that BT were forced to do to make datastream ADSL competitive basically they switched from capacity based charging to usage based charging so isp's are under pressure to cut down their bandwidth consumption or raise contention level's. For this reason we will start seeing ADSL ipstream isp's go towards metered products but LLU and datastream should be unaffected, I think NTL have piggy backed onto this and taken advantage of the situation, it is well known that with ADSL the isp's bill for BT central traffic is more then external traffic so as NTL own their own network I can only assume that the cost for their local traffic is less in proportion to what ADSL isp's have to pay, I hope what I have said isn't too confusing.

Originally Posted by mchu6am4

ANY COMMENTS ON POST #97 ?

ash

Look again as I replied to your post, mine is post 99 and please do not shout thanks.

[etccarmageddon]

I heard the other day that there's talk of movie studios legitimising downloading of movies in order to counter the current illegal P2Ping of movies.

They have seen what happened to napster and also the various successful ventures such as Apple's Itunes and the suggestion is that the same can happen with movies.

If/When this happens then it would become an incentive to some broadband customers to avoid metered products or seek products that dont have a low cap.

[Rone]

Unless i'm wrong, basically theres not enough bandwidth to go round if everyone starts d\loading Half Life 2 at exactly the same time.
Can there ever be enough bandwidth, ever? [Without NTL having to pay out stupid money to do so]
So theres little chance for those who would quite happily pay a bit more, so they dont become paranoid about limits.
Lets hope its not going to cost the earth if you go over.

[MatTman]

Originally Posted by BackToMine

I have no problem with enforcing the limit of 30GB/month for 2Mbit service in Q1 2005 and I encourge all Broadband providers to do exactly the same.

Why would anyone who uses their Cable Broadband connection legally (no-Warez) for home use ever need more than 1GByte/day?

The unlimited home broadband usage era will end within 2005-06 due to P2P users who are nothing more than theives and communists.

I cannot wait for the days of DRM-only media and Palladium-style operating systems.

eh?? ever heard of a thing called the Movies on Demand??? Demo download sites, Distros, i could go on all day.. Subcription media sites etc etc... uninformed idiots like yourself need to get with the program, were not all p2P thieves.

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

I heard the other day that there's talk of movie studios legitimising downloading of movies in order to counter the current illegal P2Ping of movies.

They have seen what happened to napster and also the various successful ventures such as Apple's Itunes and the suggestion is that the same can happen with movies.

If/When this happens then it would become an incentive to some broadband customers to avoid metered products or seek products that dont have a low cap.

I too read something a while back on this. For the majority, isn't the whole point is that you don't pay. I think they are wrong if they think it is because people find it is 'convienent'.

Besides, i wouldn't use the service if they are going to compress the films to cd size. I doubt it'll lift off though anyway.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by andrew_wallasey

I agree with what you are saying in principal but in practice it is not sustainable to offer un-metered broadband. The main reason being those few selfish users to clock up 10-20gb of data as well as uploading huge amounts (p2p users). It is something stupid like 3% of an isps users account for 90% of data transfered.

It's called the free market economy, its the world we live in and to honest its nice to find it working in the consumers interest for a change.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

I heard the other day that there's talk of movie studios legitimising downloading of movies in order to counter the current illegal P2Ping of movies.

They have seen what happened to napster and also the various successful ventures such as Apple's Itunes and the suggestion is that the same can happen with movies.

If/When this happens then it would become an incentive to some broadband customers to avoid metered products or seek products that dont have a low cap.

Read an interesting article in the online Chicago Herald Tribune last week on this. Covering Blockbuster dropping late fees (well kinda) , principally to compete with the netflix/screenselects of this world.
Went on to examine how the whole rental industry is falling apart in a market where you can buy many dvds for $10 (so why rent for $4).
Then went on to the future and the potential colaberation between the movie houses / tivo and netflix cutting out the postal system and delivering your next rental to the HDD of your Tivo box.
Certainly woudn't want to be on metered BB if I was getting an 8GB movie delivered once a week!

[Mauldor]

When the first CAP thread came up a LOT of people agrued to death with the Pros and the cons and how in the end anyhow nobody was CAPPED and the whole network somehow managed to carry on running regardless of the fact that there is not real CAP in place at all - just something written down as a guide line. In fact if you go back to them posts it sounded like the whole NTL network was in a state of collapse and anything greater than 1mbit was def not possible considering how bad the network was with all these Leechers using up all the bandwidth. Now we move on - NTL upped the Speed to 1.5mbit - Network still running fine. Soon it seems we shall have 3mbit but how can this be - the bandwidth is not enough the people say, cable was never designed for this - pure TV only surely..

ALso regarding any cap thread - there is those who are against (the End users) and those who cannot wait till we have 1 gig month cap on a 10mbit connection....do these same people also work at NTL I wonder?

My needs can change on a day by day basis, i dont wake up and think right, Ill download 10 GIG today do I.... Today for example I have not downloaded anything at all, just web browsing and Playing a couple games. Yesterday I was grabbing maps for CoD, Halo and BF1942. I downloaded a Game demo a few day earlier, only a mere 503Meg (the Proper Game comes on a DVD) - thats One game... All as you can see quite legeal and also nothing that the average Person might do if they are into gaming.

But what the "Lets have a CAP" brigade are saying is this is not normal at all - I am overusing my connection - what do you suggest I do? Not try any demos of games or patch the games I have bought up - while Im at it - lets not patch My OS or send any large email - Im abusing the network and costing NTL Money surley...

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Mauldor

<snip>But what the "Lets have a CAP" brigade are saying is this is not normal at all - I am overusing my connection - what do you suggest I do? Not try any demos of games or patch the games I have bought up - while Im at it - lets not patch My OS or send any large email - Im abusing the network and costing NTL Money surley...

No they are not, they are saying that the 1Mb/64k/5GB contract is not for you and you should be on the 2Mb/128k/30GB contract. on that even downloading the 530Mb game demo only takes you to half your (averaged) daily usage. The new 30Gb a month works better with your usage patterns, so if you spend a day downloading games and maps and download 3Gb then the next couple surfing, then a weekend playing, on the current process you broke guidance once, on the new one it all averages.

The problem that this site is already showing is people will see a 1Mb contract for not too much £ and jump on it when realistically the bronze tier is no more suitable for them now than it was when it was a 300k contract.

[buba3d]

Cap or No cap, we are being screwed either way, since the uk is Is the capital of Rip off.

Roll on 3MB

[Chrysalis]

None of my points have been answered because I assume the NTL defenders know I am right, When the changes happen I will just carry on as normal and see how NTL react when I break the limit, this probably wont happen every month since my usage varies so much eg. I have only used 21 gig this month and it is the 19th already so I expect to not go over 30 gig as I will be away over christmas, but there will be month's I will use around the 50 gig mark, will NTL let this go? or will they send me a overage bill? or will they throttle my speed? how they react will depend on what I think.

If they let it go I bet there will be peope bitching saying its unfair and that I should pay for the extra 10/20 gig, why? so they pay 50pence less a month?