smoking and the pub

[Bifta]

but I wont be posting in it again.

Well, no offense, but if you can't post anything pertaining to this thread that hasn't been moaned about by your ilk already countless times then that's probably for the best.

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Well, no offense, but if you can't post anything pertaining to this thread that hasn't been moaned about by your ilk already countless times then that's probably for the best.

Last post now, if you dont stop trolling, trying to bait me into a flame war I will report your post, now shut it and get on with the debate rather than personal attacks.

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by ZrByte

yes but then apparently ignorance is bliss, you probably dont notice because you spend as little time as possible in any of these places trying to get outside to get your next fix.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by ZrByte

Last post now, if you dont stop trolling, trying to bait me into a flame war I will report your post, now shut it and get on with the debate rather than personal attacks.

Please, go ahead and report my post, pick one, any one, obviously you'll derive some sort of satisfaction from it so more power to you!

I suggest you all calm down, stop with the little digs at each other, and get back to the subject, or this is going to be closed.

[Stuart]

As stated earlier, I don't have any problem with people smoking near me (although I am a non-smoker). Like Ramrod, I do, however, object when people go to a non-smoking area of a pub (or anywhere) and start smoking. That is not on.

BTW, although I don't know any smokers that do this, it does happen.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Bifta

I, and every smoker I know, always respect non-smoking areas, I, however, have had to endure non-smokers bitching at me when they are sitting in the SMOKING area of a restaurant.

Thats not on.....you must know a nice bunch of smokers 'cos the ones I bump into are arrogant, thoughtless litterbugs.

That's absolute crap, the owner of the establishment is barring you, not the smokers, as I've said more than once, if you feel you can't go to your local pub, complain to the landlord, not to us.

The owner is only stopping me if he/she is actually smoking......otherwise it's the smokers smoke thats stopping me going in. Whether it's a smoking or non-smoking establishment is immaterial.....it's the presence or absence of smoke that is the crucial point.

So, because we smoke, we're not allowed to point out persistent whiners? Meh!

Damn right! You should be grateful that your filthy habit is even tolerated in society!

It's absolutely nothing like it whatsoever.

It is too!

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by scastle

As stated earlier, I don't have any problem with people smoking near me (although I am a non-smoker). Like Ramrod, I do, however, object when people go to a non-smoking area of a pub (or anywhere) and start smoking. That is not on.

BTW, although I don't know any smokers that do this, it does happen.

I agree, it probably does happen, but that's not a jibe towards smokers, there are plenty of arrogant people in this world. Like you (and curiously totally unlike Ramrod who for the purposes of his own argument seems to have only ever met smokers that insist on smoking in non smoking areas) I don't know any that do it either.

The only time I've ever got totally p*ssed of with a smoker was some time ago when there were smoking and non smoking compartments on trains.This particular smoker lit up in a non smoking compartment without even asking and carried on despite being told it was a nonsmokers section(as if he couldn't see the no smoking graphical sign ) he proceeded to continue to smoke.There were plenty of smokers compartments for him to choose and he could have moved.In the end me and the other occupants were ready to complain to the guard when he left the train.Arrogant G*t!!!

However that's about the only time I can recall ever getting so irate with a smoker(apart from when my other half last decided to try to give up-I was ready to leave home at one point).

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I do wish that smokers scrupulously observed no smoking areas when they are in them.

I'd agree whole-heartedly with this. Smokers should not smoke in non-smoking areas. Period. Yes there are a lot of idiots that think they have the god-given right to smoke where they like, when they like. I would say I think that they are in the minority, but a few ignorant chavs can spoil it for the majority.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I also wish that smokers would acknowledge that their habit actively bars us non-smokers from entering places that we ideally should be able to go into without being affected by someone elses antisocial actions there.

But I would generally disagree with this. No smoker is stopping (effectively or otherwise) any non-smoker from entering a smoking area. I know many non-smokers who socialise with smokers. They make the choice to enter those places, and I don't know any smoker who doesn't respect non-smokers for making the decision not to enter.

Likewise, I also know many smokers who will go to non-smoking places and not smoke out of respect for the other people they're with.

I think both sides need to find the middle ground - although looking at this it is mostly the smokers who are prepared to compromise (save for Bill C and Incog who seem very level headed about it all).

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Finally, smokers shouldn't complain about non smokers complaining.....after all, it's not us non-smokers who are actively doing the thing that harms.

But if non-smokers wern't complaining, then nor would the smokers!

Originally Posted by Paul M

I suggest you all calm down, stop with the little digs at each other, and get back to the subject, or this is going to be closed.

Everyone need to pass round the pack of extra-tar Zitannes me thinks

Oh look an even looooonger thread about banning smoking.

[Salu]

One of the problems with "Rights" is that sometimes the act of exercising your rights infringes on someone elses. Therefore rights should not be absolute in a amicable society. We need to tolerate. Most of the times, that is what happens although we have demonstrated above that there are exceptions from both sides.

Originally Posted by Bifta

Er no, I'd use my brain and go elsewhere, mind you, I could then waste loads of time complaining to others that do it on a forum for no apparent reason Besides, you've been told more than once now (something you failed to address) that if you don't like people smoking in a pub, take it up with the landlord because we're excercising our right to smoke in them.

I don't deny your right to smoke in a pub, I am proffering my opinion that smoking should be banned in public places or at least places indoors. No matter how many "smoking areas" there are, the smoke always travels directly towards my nose and I am fed up of this as I have made a decision NOT to smoke. You smokers are forcing me to smoke, albeit passively. That is an infringement of my rights. You may well say "leave the pub" but that is not considerate or tolerant. As I have said before, my not smoking is not affecting you. Therefore I say that the more harmful of us both is you. Hence you should stop. Alternatively there could be completely separate rooms of which the smoking one should be properly ventilated, but this rarely happens because the landlord relies on the non-smokers tolerance.

As previously stated, my desire for people to stop smoking is because I see the fallible side of people when they have contracted X disease because of smoking. Too many people take their health for granted.

It's very very wrong that innocent people have died due to smokers exhaled 2nd hand smoke, breathed in because they exercised their "right" to go to a pub.

[Ramrod]

Extremely well put Salu!

Originally Posted by Bifta

I agree, it probably does happen, but that's not a jibe towards smokers, there are plenty of arrogant people in this world. Like you (and curiously totally unlike Ramrod who for the purposes of his own argument seems to have only ever met smokers that insist on smoking in non smoking areas) I don't know any that do it either.

Oy, behave! I said that I seem to often come across people who smoke in non-smoking areas....thats a long way from saying that those are the only smokers I see.............or are you trying to 'get a rise' out of me?

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Oh look an even looooonger thread about banning smoking.

No, no........this one has a twist..it's about smoking in pubs!

Originally Posted by andygrif

But I would generally disagree with this. No smoker is stopping (effectively or otherwise) any non-smoker from entering a smoking area.

Of course they are not physically stopping them from entering but by their actions they are making the area intolerable to many non-smokers who then have to avoid the area. Not fair really..............

I don't understand this passion for going to the pub non smoking or smoking ones included.They are noisy,overheated and the price of the drinks are a disgrace.Add to this the fact that the place is jam packed with drunks who may or may not be smoking.

Nah! I'm staying home and having a quiet drink and discussing how to put the world to rights in my living room with you lot.

That way I don't have to breath in anyone's smoke and I don't have to listen to music I hate from a tone deaf singer or listen to the kerching of the fruit machines.

Bliss.

Coggy.

[Ramrod]

Thought I would chuck this into this long dead thread

Breathing in secondhand smoke massively increases the risk of lung cancer and heart disease, an official report by medical scientists shows.
Ministers have sat on the results for months amid fears it will fuel calls for a ban on smoking in public places, claim campaigners......It is deeply worrying that the government has sat on this for months; it should have been published in good time to inform debate around the public health White Paper.