Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[davethejag]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Just got home will post an article on NoDPI in the next hour.

Alexander Hanff

I am pleased that you arrived home safely Alex and I am delighted that although we were small in numbers the day seems to have been a great success!

It was a pleasure to have met all present today and I wish you all a very good night.

Dave.

[tdadyslexia]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

https://nodpi.org/2008/07/16/protest...can-a-summary/

Alexander Hanff

Alex you are amazing, I take my hat off to you!

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

My day at the BT AGM 2008. With huge thanks to the people who made it possible. I didn't get thrown out or arrested thank God

I'm sure you'll enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed participating...

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=27

I don't think BT's AGM 2008 could have been much more difficult.

cant wait to see bt's spin on the q&a section of the agm

see if there are any reference to a loud mouth smart alec asking awkward questions about BT Webwise and secret(at least they were until someone leaked a doc) trials

Peter

[Tharrick]

I'm just sorry I couldn't afford the train tickets..

Maybe the next protest will happen after I've got a job Or even better, maybe there won't need to be a protest, maybe the police will actually do something about the dossier of evidence handed over with no need for further EU wrist-slapping. That'd be nice *




*so would winning the lottery... and while we're on the subject of long shots...

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

My day at the BT AGM 2008. With huge thanks to the people who made it possible. I didn't get thrown out or arrested thank God

I'm sure you'll enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed participating...

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=27

I don't think BT's AGM 2008 could have been much more difficult.

i like the fact they were worried enough to change entrance to one round the corner to try and stop protesters talking to the investor, that alone speaks volumes

peter

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alex, did the police give you any indication if they would keep you informed about progress on your complaint about BT ?

peter

[pseudonym]

Originally Posted by Matari

I think the answer is to use the Safari web browser - from the BT Community Forums (http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...180&tstart=0):

BT Webwise works with most major browsers, including Internet Explorer, Firefox, Netscape and Opera. Safari is not supported by the BT Webwise system. BT Webwise has been tested and proven to work with the following:

Internet Explorer 5.5, 6.0, 7.0
Firefox 1.0, 1.5, 2.0
Opera 7.54, 8.54, 9.0

It is the first time as a Mac user that I am glad that something is not compatible!

You can get Safari here:

For Mac: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/
For PC: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos...safari311.html

If my re-collection is correct, Safari is not incompatible with Phorm's tracking "technology", but its default of blocking most types of third party cookies made getting the webwise.net UID to serve up targeted adverts a slight problem.

Unfortunately this would be very easily rectified - I won't say how as my approach might be better than whatever Phorm plan on doing.

[Tarquin L-Smythe]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

My day at the BT AGM 2008. With huge thanks to the people who made it possible. I didn't get thrown out or arrested thank God

I'm sure you'll enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed participating...

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=27

I don't think BT's AGM 2008 could have been much more difficult.

Some are born great others have it thrust upon them and you sir have earned yours in the arena ,Gladiatorial work Pete you have my greatest respect and on behalf of my parents both BT retired shareholders(in their 80's) ,I thank you
Thanks for giving the board athey so deserved it

Bob aka TGLS

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Tharrick

I'm just sorry I couldn't afford the train tickets..

Maybe the next protest will happen after I've got a job Or even better, maybe there won't need to be a protest, maybe the police will actually do something about the dossier of evidence handed over with no need for further EU wrist-slapping. That'd be nice *




*so would winning the lottery... and while we're on the subject of long shots...

I am in the same boat, I don't currently have a job because all my time is spent on Phorm, I can't pay next month's mortgage yet again and the bank are removing half of my overdraft on 1st August. But I still spend vast amounts of time on this issue and whereas I don't want to start having a go at people, it would really have been appreciated to see more people attend.

At the end of the day it didn't really matter (except it meant Channel 4 didn't cover the event in the end due to lack of numbers) because the people who did turn up made the day a great success, but if I am going to organise any more of these events, I need to know people are going to turn up, the amount of work involved is beyond vast and whereas the direct costs of the event were covered by donations, they are by no means the only costs and I simply cannot afford to keep taking all this work on myself (that is not meant to disrespect the people who have obviously contributed but is a general comment to the general public).

So as I said, I am not going to make a big deal about it, the day was very successful, but a campaign cannot be won by people posting opinions on the web alone, it needs commitment in other mediums as well. This protest was a good chance for people to hit the street and make a difference, so I think it is only understandable that I was a little disappointed at the turn out.

Alexander Hanff

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Originally Posted by bluecar1

i like the fact they were worried enough to change entrance to one round the corner to try and stop protesters talking to the investor, that alone speaks volumes

peter

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alex, did the police give you any indication if they would keep you informed about progress on your complaint about BT ?

peter

Yes, as I said on NoDPI they will be in touch in due course.

Alexander Hanff

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

My day at the BT AGM 2008. With huge thanks to the people who made it possible. I didn't get thrown out or arrested thank God

I'm sure you'll enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed participating...

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=27

I don't think BT's AGM 2008 could have been much more difficult.

Great report Peter and thank you.

I think you did really well and I certainly think your questions raised some awareness.

Some of my future pension and certainly that of some of my BT working friends is related to BT's survival and I and most certainly them, wouldn't want BT to go totally AWOL with their Phorm/Webwise nonsense and the probable court costs incurred due to law breaking.

I just hope BT come to their senses and kick Phorm out of bed and out of their ( and our) head!

[tdadyslexia]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

My day at the BT AGM 2008. With huge thanks to the people who made it possible. I didn't get thrown out or arrested thank God

I'm sure you'll enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed participating...

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=27

I don't think BT's AGM 2008 could have been much more difficult.

Wow I am amazed that you managed to ask BT so much, I bet you end up in TB's littel Black Book!

Good on you for getting in so many questions.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by davethejag

I am pleased that you arrived home safely Alex and I am delighted that although we were small in numbers the day seems to have been a great success!

It was a pleasure to have met all present today and I wish you all a very good night.

Dave.

Dave,

It was great to meet you thanks for all the hard work and I look forward to receiving the video footage.

Alexander Hanff

[serial]

Originally Posted by bluecar1

i like the fact they were worried enough to change entrance to one round the corner to try and stop protesters talking to the investor, that alone speaks volumes
peter

Absolutely, luckily BT shareholders have more intelligence than BT gives them credit. When Pete(dephormation) asked his questions, many of the shareholders were curious as to what this was all about. The team outside were greeted with a plethora of shareholders asking to explain what he(Pete) was talking about.

Again, just to re-state, the information we provided wasn't negative spin, it was factual. The information in the fliers is 100% correct.

[bluecar1]

the big factor in people not being able to attend was the mid week date, but that was beyound your control alex as it was the date set by BT for their AGM, i would suggest any future dates should be a saturday so more people can attend without having issues with work.

but well done, by the sounds of it it was a small well controlled demo, no locals or investors where harassed or intimidated by a large crown, but importantly the message sounds like it was put across to most if not all investors (and a few BT employees who attended a meeting after the agm)

well done, sort out the work issue first as wife and kids need to get a bit more priority for a while

peter

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by serial

Absolutely, luckily BT shareholders have more intelligence than BT gives them credit. When Pete(dephormation) asked his questions, many of the shareholders were curious as to what this was all about. The team outside were greeted with a plethora of shareholders asking to explain what he(Pete) was talking about.

Again, just to re-state, the information we provided wasn't negative spin, it was factual. The information in the fliers is 100% correct.

Indeed and many thanks for PG from inphormation desk for producing the flier text in a language which was comprehensive to the general public. We handed out over 1000 fliers today and they all went to interested parties as opposed to just shoving them into the hands of random passers by.

One very interesting situation which I almost forgot. There were some BT OpenReach lawyers there who discussed the system with one of the campaigners and until then had no idea that it was even happening. There were some very frantic phone calls made by them to their colleagues and they took a fist full of fliers with them to discuss the matter further.

Alexander Hanff

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Originally Posted by bluecar1

well done, sort out the work issue first as wife and kids need to get a bit more priority for a while

peter

It isn't as easy as that unfortunately. I have a job lined up but I need to sit my exam before I can start it and that requires a great deal of time and concentration which is almost impossible for me at the moment as there really is so much going on that it is impossible to concentrate on an exam at the moment.

Furthermore, I have a responsibility to this campaign and this very much involves my own family as I am fighting to protect their rights as well. If I drop everything now what happens? Kent will see it as a victory and it could set the campaign back significantly. I didn't ask to be in this position but I am and I can't abandon my post at such a critical time.

The press and media interviews I give, the meetings with Peers such as Lord Northesk and Baroness Miller, the work I am doing behind the scenes to organise meetings and phone calls, the case now in the hands of City of London Police; they all need to continue and without them the campaign suffers significantly.

It simply isn't possible to walk away from this, it is a responsibility I have to bare (and do so gladly because it is an issue I am absolutely dedicated to and passionate about) and I will continue to do that to the best of my ability.

There is no choice to make between money and civil liberties, civil liberties must take priority every time they are the most important aspects of everything we are as a society and of democracy itself, nothing is more important than that. I can't just switch off after thousands and thousands of hours of work, it would be inhuman to do so and I simply can't. This might not make sense to some people I guess I don't know how to explain it better I only know how I feel and I simply cannot drop this, irrespective of any hardship I may encounter as a result. I only wish I could earn money half as quickly as Phorm are losing it

This is real life, this is what it is all about, not what you are worth in financial terms but how you choose to live and the decisions you make. This is not just about us, these issues have extreme reach and will effect the lives of our children, their children and beyond. Once these rights are dissolved they don't just fall back into our laps, they are gone pretty much forever. I have a family, I have a duty to protect them at all costs, as do we all.

I am probably not making much sense because my head is spinning from the days events, but I say these words with the utmost of sincerity and people really do need to wake up to the realisation that life is not about today or tomorrow, it is about the future, it is about what we can all achieve for the betterment of that future and it cannot be measured by how much money you have in the bank, that really doesn't matter.

Alexander Hanff

[bluecar1]

alex i am not saying abandon the fight just swing the priorities alittle more towrds the family, to keep a roof and food

keep up the fight,

as wolfie from "citizen smith" always said "power to the people" (for those of you old enough to remember the seventies tv programs that is)