ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase

[Ave]

If the upload speed is only 384k, i'll probably switch ISP's

Originally Posted by webstuff

Hi All


considering that adsl2 providers are offering uploads of up to 1.3mbs then i would say 384 would be poor. Especially if you have a smallish lan, public services and gaming p2p etc, it really is not that fast at all.


webstuff

Glad you said upto. Most users will NOT get that speed as they dont live in the car park of the exchange.

As i live 2.2 km from the exchange i have been informed if i wanted to move to adsl2+ that i would get about 9 to 14 meg down and 400 to 600 up and of course thats with the wind behind it on a good day

[dayloon]

Originally Posted by Ave

If the upload speed is only 384k, i'll probably switch ISP's

I dont understand why everyone is so bothered about the upload speed. What do you do that requires a huge amount of upload speed ? What ISP are you going to switch to exactly which gives you the kind of upload you are looking for ?

Originally Posted by dayloon

I dont understand why everyone is so bothered about the upload speed. What do you do that requires a huge amount of upload speed ? What ISP are you going to switch to exactly which gives you the kind of upload you are looking for ?

To be honest i would assume its for p2p or games hosting. however they will all come along in a minute and tell me all the other legitimate reasons and flame me to hell. "puts on asbestos suit then sits back down and waits "

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Bill C

To be honest i would assume its for p2p or games hosting. however they will all come along in a minute and tell me all the other legitimate reasons and flame me to hell. "puts on asbestos suit then sits back down and waits "

I need to upload a hell of a lot of linux iso's so I NEED that upload speed

[etccarmageddon]

upload is essential for web cams if you want a good pic and higher frame rate.

[SOSAGES]

upload is just handy when ever u have to send anything u groan

[Ben]

Originally Posted by Bill C

To be honest i would assume its for p2p or games hosting. however they will all come along in a minute and tell me all the other legitimate reasons and flame me to hell. "puts on asbestos suit then sits back down and waits "

Upload speed is nice to have. As above webcams need this for a decent quality picture/ frame rate and people like to send there freinds files / pictures and other stuff that might be quite large, and yes people like to also host a small game server and with a upload of not even 400k with 10Mbit down you aint got much chance of that, not to mention that if your downloading at a full 10Mbit it will use mostly all (if not all!) of that 300 odd k that your given) fact.

[mcmanic]

Originally Posted by Ben

not to mention that if your downloading at a full 10Mbit it will use mostly all (if not all!) of that 300 odd k that your given) fact.

its only fact for P2P freeloaders who don't want/not allowed to pay for a decent newsgroup service and need a high upstream to get a decent downstream, if you go on a newsgroup which on 3meg only uses 11-14kb/sec upstream, so for 10meg (if you can ever get a full 10meg downstream would still be way,way under and not so important.

Cap the upstream i say - disgruntle the P2P users downloading their mp3's,games and the likes, this would make the network so much better for all of us.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by webstuff

Hi All

considering that adsl2 providers are offering uploads of up to 1.3mbs then i would say 384 would be poor. Especially if you have a smallish lan, public services and gaming p2p etc, it really is not that fast at all.

webstuff

All running on a "residential" connection. For my own sanity I would be putting the public services and p2p files on a public webserver, not on my home PC. The smallish lan, well that traffic is "local"?
Would you like to run a VoIP swichboard across your connection for each of the LAN users too?

[jrhnewark]

Originally Posted by dayloon

I dont understand why everyone is so bothered about the upload speed. What do you do that requires a huge amount of upload speed ? What ISP are you going to switch to exactly which gives you the kind of upload you are looking for ?

What exactly requires sure a "huge amount of download speed" (downstream bandwidth, I suppose )?

Heavens above man, I'm tempted to go on Jesus Chat to pray for forgiveness for wanting a decent bandwidth both up and downstream!

VOIP, webcams, uploading large files to friends, streaming audio (and even video) to people. All very valid uses - and if people want to use P2P for legal purposes, that's up to them.

Gimme a break from all this "it's all those people using P2P would must be sharing dodgy Madonna MP3s - boo hoo!!".
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Originally Posted by SMHarman

Would you like to run a VoIP swichboard across your connection for each of the LAN users too?

Why not? Sounds like a splendid idea to me.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by mcmanic

Cap the upstream i say - disgruntle the P2P users downloading their mp3's,games and the likes, this would make the network so much better for all of us.

I can't argue with that dude But I fail to beleave if you max out your full 10Mbit that 300 odd K upload will not be maxed. (or at least very close to being)

I could be wrong (your the expert I guess) but when I max out my 3Mbit atm it does seem to use a huge part of my upload (and no not p2p :p )

[etccarmageddon]

if people are using their upload bandwidth illegally I shouldnt have to suffer restrictions. it's upto the service provider and copyright holders to detect illegal use.
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at the moment, on a 300k connection if you're using a web cam at the same time as making a voip call, you will probably have upload bandwidth issues.

You know this cracks me up it does. You see i am a grown up. I have no problem admitting that i use p2p and newsgroups. I have been known to download both legit and dodgy stuff there i said it, quick phone f.a.s.t. What people download is there problem not mine. However the rules are the rules be it 1 gig or 30 gig and they have been in place for 2 years. So if you break them then you can expect NTL to enforce them if they decide to. As for upload yes there are legit reason for it to be faster but i bet you know if you could scan the network for types of traffic on the upload what do you think you would find ?

By the way i work for NTL however i am a customer just like you and what i do with my connection has nothing to do with my postion with NTL.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by mcmanic

its only fact for P2P freeloaders who don't want/not allowed to pay for a decent newsgroup service and need a high upstream to get a decent downstream, if you go on a newsgroup which on 3meg only uses 11-14kb/sec upstream, so for 10meg (if you can ever get a full 10meg downstream would still be way,way under and not so important.

Cap the upstream i say - disgruntle the P2P users downloading their mp3's,games and the likes, this would make the network so much better for all of us.

10Mbit = about 200kbps of upstream required for Usenet.

LOL @ P2P freeloaders though, paying a newsgroup service a few quid a month to download dodgy material isn't exactly paying ntl for the pleasure, and certainly not the content producers.

Presumably if people paid to use P2P that'd be quite acceptable?

Oh and those eeevil people who actually upload the stuff you download from Usenet. How dare they! A cap on upstreams would I hate to point out kill Usenet binaries as well.

Personally I think they should stick to the current 10:1 ratio and do some traffic management to ensure that gack doesn't clog the upstreams This way upstream is available when it's needed, while P2P rapeage is controlled accordingly. I've little time for people who upload 24x7, no need for it.

However Telewest's about 30:1 is farcical and a product of both their obsession with remaining uncapped and their pre-existing issues with upstream congestion.