Brexit

[jfman]

So you can’t speak for them, but they must be among the 17.4m?

It’d be a bizarre set of circumstances if 17 399 750 agreed and all of those who had contradictory opinions were in the House of Commons (plus Farage, who once liked the Norway model).

There’s a difference between leaving the house to go to the pub or to the cinema. Surely it’s worth deciding where to go before standing in the rain? What’s the rush?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

Jeez - just seen this reply of yours - You are taking the piss again aren't you?

Nothing at all noble about those pathetic MPs - they have stood on election manifestos to honour the result and then decide to go against them, once elected because they are pathetic and won't accept the democratic result. So no, absolute rubbish that they are noble or brave.

I am sick of you telling everyone, in this thread, they didn't know what they were voting for - they did - they voted to leave and yes that was what the country voted for, the ones that bothered to vote, that is.

You do know what leave means ?

It's not rocket science - leave means to "exit something", "get out of" - leaving the EU means exactly that. FFS, I am sick of seeing the same shit being said in this thread, that Brexiteers didn't know what version of Brexit they wanted - Clue: We DID!!!

I sure as hell know what I voted for and I am damn well sure 17.4 Million others did as well.[COLOR="Silver"]

I have yet to meet a fellow leaver who did not know what they were voting for.

I've met many remainers who've told me I didn't know what I was voting for.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I have yet to meet a fellow leaver who did not know what they were voting for.

I've met many remainers who've told me I didn't know what I was voting for.

Not watch the news?

Anyway I’m going to leave this line of the topic. It’s going to be a long six months til the second referendum if we keep going in circles.

Originally Posted by jfman

As for each MP winning their seat you can see from the 6 million signatures on the petition that there’s a huge gulf among Labour voting constituencies.

Sorry, 17.4 Million beats 6 Million and if I was a Remainer, I would be very very worried that only 6 Million people have signed a well publicised petition to revoking Article 50 and Remaining in the EU. Where are all the 16 Million people who voted Remain, where is their signature, why have they not added theirs to it?

Not to mention that the figure is inflated due to abuse, i.e has been signed multiple times by the same persons. That is why we don't measure democracy via Online Petitions that can be easily manipulated and open to abuse.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Sorry, 17.4 Million beats 6 Million and if I was a Remainer, I would be very very worried that only 6 Million people have signed a well publicised petition to revoking Article 50 and Remaining in the EU. Where are all the 16 Million people who voted Remain, where is their signature, why have they not added theirs to it?

Not to mention that the figure is inflated due to abuse, i.e has been signed multiple times by the same persons. That is why we don't measure democracy via Online Petitions that can be easily manipulated and open to abuse.

I’m not using the figure to give weight to remaining, I’m saying if you break it down by constituency there’s a huge gulf between Labour constituencies (with the most and least signatories). Making a single manifesto pledge, for a party that didn’t win an election, rather irrelevant to it’s electorate.

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m not using the figure to give weight to remaining, I’m saying if you break it down by constituency there’s a huge gulf between Labour constituencies (with the most and least signatories). Making a single manifesto pledge, for a party that didn’t win an election, rather irrelevant to it’s electorate.

Irrelevant that they didn't win the election, the MPs in Parliament won their seat in a Contest, standing on a platform of pledges, that got them elected and in place.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

They didn’t win the election despite the manifesto pledge. They’re not in a position to deliver, nor should they, to facilitate a damaging Tory Brexit.

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Why would anyone want to do that?

If the population want to engage with politics they’re free to join a political party and steer it in any way they see fit.

So your against a peoples vote then ?

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

Their contradiction is not my contradiction, you need to ask them, not me!

There is no different forms of leaving. When you leave your house - you don't take off your arms and leave them behind, same when you leave a room, leave the country, you don't leave bits of you there, there is no differential differences with the definition of leaving, as I explained above leave means exactly that.

When I leave my house, sometimes I take my coat sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take my wallet sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take my car keys sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take the dog, sometimes I don't. Leave doesn't mean leave in terms of Brexit, it's simply just isn't that simple if you want the best for the country.

BREAKING: EU eyeing up No Deal Preparations with the Northern Ireland Border. Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar says he met people from border communities with German Chancellor Angela Merkel ahead of Brexit talks and says they discussed how the single market and an open border can be protected in a 'no-deal' Brexit. Source: Sky News.

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Originally Posted by Mythica

When I leave my house, sometimes I take my coat sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take my wallet sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take my car keys sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take the dog, sometimes I don't. Leave doesn't mean leave in terms of Brexit, it's simply just isn't that simple if you want the best for the country.

But regardless if you take belongings with you or not, truly fascinating that this wasn't, you're still leaving your house.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: EU eyeing up No Deal Preparations with the Northern Ireland Border. Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar says he met people from border communities with German Chancellor Angela Merkel ahead of Brexit talks and says they discussed how the single market and an open border can be protected in a 'no-deal' Brexit. Source: Sky News.

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But regardless if you take belongings with you or not, truly fascinating that this wasn't, you're still leaving your house.

Has he gone out and left the lights on?

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: EU eyeing up No Deal Preparations with the Northern Ireland Border. Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar says he met people from border communities with German Chancellor Angela Merkel ahead of Brexit talks and says they discussed how the single market and an open border can be protected in a 'no-deal' Brexit. Source: Sky News.

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But regardless if you take belongings with you or not, truly fascinating that this wasn't, you're still leaving your house.

Of course but I'm leaving in different ways to do different things. Of course I could leave and never come back too.

Labour and Conservatives to continue talks tomorrow.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

Labour and Conservatives to continue talks tomorrow.

At least they have not fallen out thus so far.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

At least they have not fallen out thus so far.

Too early to kick the can down the road again. Needs to be the “last possible minute” or this ruse isn’t credible.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

How do you explain the contradiction between Davis, Mogg, Raab, Fox and Johnson as to whether May’s deal is good or bad?

I’m certain everyone who voted leave wanted some form of leaving. There’s no uniform consensus on the future relationship, customs etc. Even you must see that surely?
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I’m truly bored of dating this now, but hey, one more time.

It was made Crystal clear prior to the referendum, that leaving the EU meant leaving the Single Market, Customs Union and ECJ jurisdiction. That was repeated over and over again and was in the famous leaflet delivered to each household. That is a fact and is unquestionable.

During the debate, Norway, Customs Union, EFTA were all discussed.

The reason I voted Remain was because I could see already on question time that politicians were talking up with some kind of Customs Union Deal, in which case there is no benefit in leaving, we’re better off in, in that scenario.

Then, It was only after the referendum, after the decision was made on the above information, that all these myriad of Brexits were purported. Soft Brexit, Hard Brexit, people’s Brexit, Jobs first Brexit blah blah ffffinnn blah.

The only true Brexit means leaving the SM, CU & ECJ anything else isn’t Brexit, we’d be better staying in.