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[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I only have the questions submitted by the people here written down, everything else was just bullet points as I wanted the discussion to flow naturally as opposed to being an interview (which I personally believe worked very well as it showed our Peers do have a human side that everyone can relate to).

Did you find it as surprising, as I did, that he wasn't more angry about the secret trials?

Angry because BT had been so reckless they did not advise the Home Office? Or angry because there had been no subsequent statement to Parliament by the Government, no report on the risk assessment to committees?

He seemed quite chilled out about it when you asked him, almost amused.

[rryles]

Originally Posted by Florence

Would love the help the quicker we can get this online the better for the fight. I have started if you could start 30 mins into the recording and rryles is starting at the 1hour doing the last 16mins or so. The Earl of Northesk would have needed another coffee after all this talking. Such an interesting and friendly chat makes him a really approachable person.
A big thank you to both Alex for going and the Earl of Northesk for meeting Alex

It's 116 minutes = 1 hour 56 minutes! We'll get through it though

[Portly_Giraffe]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

He seemed quite chilled out about it when you asked him, almost amused.

I've met him and that's his style - traditional British , and not the kind of person to show anger even if he felt it.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Did you find it as surprising, as I did, that he wasn't more angry about the secret trials?

Angry because BT had been so reckless they did not advise the Home Office? Or angry because there had been no subsequent statement to Parliament by the Government, no report on the risk assessment to committees?

He seemed quite chilled out about it when you asked him, almost amused.

He did state in the meeting (and on the recording) that he is just as frustrated about the issue as we all are, but his position demands composure. I have no doubts as to his thoughts on the issue, he made it very clear that breaches of privacy should be met with personal fines or imprisonment and also made it very clear that what BT did was illegal, so if you correlate the two...

Alexander Hanff

[Florence]

Ian and Emma could be going for a holiday

dont disalusion me on the tape, give a shorter time you get there quicker....

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by Portly_Giraffe

I've met him and that's his style - traditional British , and not the kind of person to show anger even if he felt it.

I agree, his style is very measured (and actually quite entertaining to listen to).

I had thought - assuming the HO were not responsible for or aware of either batch of trials as they claim - he would have questioned why there was no report to the Home Affairs select committee, or the HoL Technology committee when the secret surveillance was detected and/or reported.

His final words in the interview are, at least a hint of anger... "I am appalled that, erm, BT chose to conduct trials in secret that outwardly appear to be utterly illegal".



Update; is there a hint in his answer that one or both of the trials were conducted as part of the Information Modernisation Programme..? (36:55)

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Update, is there a hint in his answer that one or both of the trials were conducted as part of the Information Modernisation Programme..? (36:55)

No. They were completely independent of any government initiative or department. in fact I don't think the Information Modernisation Programme is even past the planning stages yet.

Alexander Hanff

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OK the fliers for the event are at the printers now (1000 of them so I hope people are going to help hand them out?).

I haven't had any placard image submissions to date (that I am aware of) so if I don't have any by the end of tomorrow I will have to spend Sunday designing them ready for printing on Monday.

Alexander Hanff

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK the fliers for the event are at the printers now (1000 of them so I hope people are going to help hand them out?).

I haven't had any placard image submissions to date (that I am aware of) so if I don't have any by the end of tomorrow I will have to spend Sunday designing them ready for printing on Monday.

Alexander Hanff

alex just printing the 100 a4 pages for you, so another 200 heading your way, will send recorded so you should get them monday

peter

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I haven't had any placard image submissions to date (that I am aware of) so if I don't have any by the end of tomorrow I will have to spend Sunday designing them ready for printing on Monday.

Alexander Hanff

There was an SVG tool you recommended; http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en

Would PDF format be ok?

A3 page size noted. (see here)

[NewsreadeR]

Originally Posted by NewsreadeR

They need to sack their web designer. He cannot even spell phorm. (My bold)

This will be a good measure of if they read this thread, lets see how long it is before its corrected.

Ahh well they have now corrected this. See they do read this thread Just for absolute clarity, Phorm please read this - WE DON'T WANT OR NEED YOU!

Site Privacy Policy
Phorm's Site Privacy Policy covers the use of this corporate website, www.phorm.com, detailing what data Phorm may collect from and about site visitors and how it will be used. It includes your choices about the personal information you may provide to Phorm, and how our corporate site may use online cookies and the choices available to users of our site.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

There was an SVG tool you recommended; http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en

Would PDF format be ok?

A3 page size noted. (see here)

Yup PDF should be fine.

Alexander Hanff

[tarka]

I also got a distinct feeling that their latest updates (not sure when they were made) have a hint of desperation to them? is it just me?

like the "Webwise is legal" section which dismisses the FIPR analysis yet does not give reference to any favourable legal analysis, just the same "we spoke to the home office" spin. Hugo's post from a few weeks ago and labelling us as a "vocal minority" when we all know that the numbers of people becoming aware of their technology and opposing it is growing by the day.

correction, we are apparently a "passionate yet tiny minority".

http://adblog.phorm.com/uncategorize...tising-update/

[AlexanderHanff]

Seems the protest event has sparked interest from overseas, I have just been contacted to give an interview for Computer World in Denmark regarding the protest.

Alexander Hanff

[bigsanta11]

I don't know if anyone caught the bbc news24 interview,between a spokesman from 192.com and a privacy defender,regarding our electoral register inphormation and advertisers who buy it,and the statement from, surprise surprise ,the ICO who have announced changes need to be made to help defend our privacy.

Quite an entertaining little debate seeing 192.com trying to defend the practice of opt in as standard ( it helps families find each other through us,and allows parents to check up on prospective (? baby sitters)) .

Shown at around 16.30 today.


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I think this page has the video interview and sound bite!

Council data sharing ban,voters data should not be sold;
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sear...all&recipe=all

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Sorry guys,those links do talk about it,but none of them are of the studio interview between 192.com and the privacy defender that was on the news24 channel shown today at about 16.30,maybe it's yet to be put on their website,but please do try to track it down,as it reminds me of our own resident shining light Mr Hanff,defending our rights against these tricksters.

[TAZMANUK]

i think websites should start putting a little mp3 sound on informing us they have opted out of phorm and the classic "phorm free, phorm as the wind blows" lol im kiddin