Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 766

09-07-2008, 22:42

Many thanks Alex.

Go and have a good soak and a glass of something nice.

09-07-2008, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Anyway, just wanted to update you all, it was a very positive experience today and a little spoiler for you, the Earl doesn't think the Phorm system will be deployed at any point in the near future and perhaps not at all, he also feels if BT do deploy it, it would be a very serious mistake.

Great

Thanks Alex

Tarquin L-Smythe · 09-07-2008, 23:04

Good work Alex With the comments made by Northesk and the Police conjures all sorts of actions in BT and Phorm offices on the morrow.Did you not sample the house whisky very good against the cold.

we are again indebted to you .

Tharrick · 09-07-2008, 23:08

Brilliant news Alex

I'm very much looking forward to hearing the recorded chat.

Rchivist · 09-07-2008, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

What a day. ...

Anyway, just wanted to update you all, it was a very positive experience today and a little spoiler for you, the Earl doesn't think the Phorm system will be deployed at any point in the near future and perhaps not at all, he also feels if BT do deploy it, it would be a very serious mistake.

Back soon,

Alexander Hanff
....

Well done Alex and thanks.
Speaking as a BT customer I get the feeling too that BT have gone very very quiet and that these trials are dead in the water. It's just a gut feeling, but they seem to be climbing back into their bunkers.

The list of bad news is just so long,

Caught out by the revelations of Phorm/Kent's past activities
Caught red-handed over the illegal secretive trials and their dishonesty over those affected who suffered actual loss
Caught red handed over the leaked trials technical document and the revelations therein
Caught out by the ICO demanding opt-in
Caught out by their conversations with the ICO becoming public and by their being shown to have been very very economical, in fact downright stingy, with the truth.
Caught by the revelations of their shady dealings with the hosting of the BT Webwise site and Phorm handling the contact page enquiries
Caught with leaky cookies on www.bt.com
Caught passing PII to Phorm
Caught out over dates as to who contacted who when, regarding ICO and HO
Caught out when the FOI request released their useless interstitial page
Caught out when they realised they couldn't use network based opt-in because BT wholesale ran that
Caught out by developments in the USA making them look like the only lonely ISP supporting this technology
Caught out by the anti DPI Anti Phorm Anti-BT Webwise campaign growing rather than fading
Caught out by the Parliamentary interest
Caught out by the police eventually getting the files and knowing that they have to be investigated

Caught like a rabbit in the headlights, stuck in the middle of the fast lane to oblivion, handcuffed to Phorm and unable to run to safety.

and the NebuAd news from over the pond is far far better than we expected a few months ago if El Reg is anything to go by - and they are certainly not the only ones reporting it.

Yes - sleep well tonight Alex. For at least a few minutes...

smcicr · 09-07-2008, 23:46

Once again, massive thanks to Alex for all his efforts on this - it is hugely appreciated and I very much look forward (as i'm sure we all do) to hearing the recording

AlexanderHanff · 09-07-2008, 23:49

Unfortunately I will not be able to review it until tomorrow as the damn voice recorder which clearly states Vista Compatible is not 64Bit Vista Compatible so I have to take it down to the in laws and use their XP machine to pull the file off.

Needless to say I will be returning the device to Argos as soon as I have the file off it. Absolutely shocking that a simple Flash RAM based system is so knackered because of proprietry idiocracy!

Alexander Hanff

lucevans · 09-07-2008, 23:51

Yet again, thanks for all your stirling work Alex.

Where and when are people meeting for the protest on the 16th? I'm working until 12.00pm but I'm hoping to hop a train and get to London by 1pm just to show my support.

AlexanderHanff · 09-07-2008, 23:57

Silk Street entrance to the Barbican. I will be there from about 9:45am - 5pm, speeches between 12-2pm

Alexander Hanff

10-07-2008, 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

.. and a little spoiler for you, the Earl doesn't think the Phorm system will be deployed at any point in the near future and perhaps not at all, he also feels if BT do deploy it, it would be a very serious mistake.

Excellent!, especially like the above, I am not much of a football follower but I think an appropriate saying right now would be "Back of the net!". Very much looking forward to the recording, and many thanks from my family and I (though silent here they are following this also).
If you do any editing/noise reduction for speedier download purposes could you still post the original, I am quite keen to have a go at cleaning up the background noise and compression myself.

10-07-2008, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Unfortunately I will not be able to review it until tomorrow as the damn voice recorder which clearly states Vista Compatible is not 64Bit Vista Compatible so I have to take it down to the in laws and use their XP machine to pull the file off.

Needless to say I will be returning the device to Argos as soon as I have the file off it. Absolutely shocking that a simple Flash RAM based system is so knackered because of proprietry idiocracy!

Alexander Hanff

What's incompatible? I tried the Olympus support page and there is no software etc for any version of Vista - does the recorder require a driver of some sort or is it just the playback software that doesn't work?

YOu could try this software which is a free file converter and ststes that it works with DSS files - Olympus's proprietory file-type.

AlexanderHanff · 10-07-2008, 00:43

Driver issue, as in it doesn't work.

Alexander Hanff

popper · 10-07-2008, 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Unfortunately I will not be able to review it until tomorrow as the damn voice recorder which clearly states Vista Compatible is not 64Bit Vista Compatible so I have to take it down to the in laws and use their XP machine to pull the file off.

Needless to say I will be returning the device to Argos as soon as I have the file off it. Absolutely shocking that a simple Flash RAM based system is so knackered because of proprietry idiocracy!

Alexander Hanff

i thought you might have problems getting it off the device Alexander as your Linux, but you didnt link to the model no or page, so i couldnt go looking for a linux app to help you pull it off there....

oh well, not to worry we have the US senate NebuAd PDF
Privacy Implications of Online Advertising Wednesday, July 9, 2008
linked here
http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/07...s-ad-tracking/

and i just found the matching Audio/Video stream
http://commerce.senate.gov/public/in...ngs.AudioVideo

these US senate rm streams are real odd though, they sit there for ages recording dead air rather than edit it out to the real start time, one i tested didnt start real streaming until 30 minutes in, and i cant skip forward with the windows port of VLC with these, MPC can, but even that seems to have problems buffering the RM stream, i cant tell you how far to skip it until the real start...

rtsp://video.webcastcenter.com/srs_g2/commerce070908.rm

found it, the second it starts playing in MPC, skip it 15.55 mins in and it will buffer and play the video.

Mr. Robert R. Dykes
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer NebuAd Incorporated starts 33 mins in

AlexanderHanff · 10-07-2008, 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by popper

i thought you might have problems getting it off the device Alexander as your Linux, but you didnt link to the model no or page, so i couldnt go looking for a linux app to help you pull it off there....

No this is in Vista. I didn't even try it in Linux as there is literally no way it would work due to the proprietry nature of the product.

Alexander Hanff

10-07-2008, 01:18

Somebody claims to have found compatible drivers here - can't verify that or speak for the safety of the website though as never used it.