04-11-2005, 15:56
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Re: smoking and the pub
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04-11-2005, 16:39
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by andyl
And the staff?
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They can leave at any time they choose.
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04-11-2005, 16:42
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by fireman328
They can leave at any time they choose.
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That is a hopelessly inaccurate caricature of the way people find and change jobs in this country, and I think the only reason it has popped up again and again in this thread, is that the rights of bar staff not to breathe in smoke is the ultimate deal-clincher for anti-smoking legislation, above all the other extremely good reasons for having it.
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04-11-2005, 16:44
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by fireman328
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No they can't, because the staff are more than likely all chavs with no education, no propspects of a proper job, therefore bar work (or other such menial employment) is the only work available to them.
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04-11-2005, 16:51
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by orangebird
No they can't, because the staff are more than likely all chavs with no education, no propspects of a proper job, therefore bar work (or other such menial employment) is the only work available to them.
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Please don't flame, OB. It's beneath you.
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04-11-2005, 16:52
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Please don't flame, OB. It's beneath you.
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Just reitterating what you were saying the other day 
Have a fab weekend all 
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04-11-2005, 16:54
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Just reitterating what you were saying the other day
Have a fab weekend all |
No, you're reiterating your somewhat slanted misinterpretation of what I was saying the other day. And you know that's the case, because my post explaining it to you appeared right below it.
Nice weekend to you too. 
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04-11-2005, 17:01
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by fireman328
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Ah, now I understand the freedom of choice argument that people have been going on about!  
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No they can't, because the staff are more than likely all chavs with no education, no propspects of a proper job, therefore bar work (or other such menial employment) is the only work available to them.
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Ah, but they're not as bad as ex-bar staff who wander around with a huge bag of McCain's on their shoulders 
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04-11-2005, 17:48
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Re: smoking and the pub
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No they can't, because the staff are more than likely all chavs with no education, no propspects of a proper job, therefore bar work (or other such menial employment) is the only work available to them.
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You seem to misunderstand, these private members clubs have been in existence since the 1700s' when gentlemen squires lived in their country seats and came up to London to a parliamentary session or to see their daughters presented at court or to tend their financial affairs.
They required somewhere to eat and sleep and conduct their business affairs whilst residing in premises which reflected their status and needs.
Hotels and other lodgings were very poor quality so Gentlemens Clubs were established to act as a home from home for gentry in London. These evolved into the Private Members Clubs, they usually have banqueting rooms for entertaining clients, private dining rooms, a smoking room which is usually also a games room for cards and snooker to which ladies are not normally allowed.
As for the "chav" staff, that is a ludicrous surmise, the club servants are hand picked wth the posts being handed down from father to son through the generations.
I have no idea what the pay rates are but I am sure they are well above the minimum rate plus tips.
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04-11-2005, 17:54
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Re: smoking and the pub
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You seem to misunderstand, these private members clubs have been in existence since the 1700s' when gentlemen squires lived in their country seats and came up to London to a parliamentary session or to see their daughters presented at court or to tend their financial affairs.
They required somewhere to eat and sleep and conduct their business affairs whilst residing in premises which reflected their status and needs.
Hotels and other lodgings were very poor quality so Gentlemens Clubs were established to act as a home from home for gentry in London. These evolved into the Private Members Clubs, they usually have banqueting rooms for entertaining clients, private dining rooms, a smoking room which is usually also a games room for cards and snooker to which ladies are not normally allowed.
As for the "chav" staff, that is a ludicrous surmise, the club servants are hand picked wth the posts being handed down from father to son through the generations.
I have no idea what the pay rates are but I am sure they are well above the minimum rate plus tips.
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I think O/b was being sarcaustic - you need to refere back into the sands of time, circa 500 posts ago or something, to see from where it all arises.
BTW all, is this an endurance event? And will there be random dope tests?
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04-11-2005, 18:01
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by andyl
I think O/b was being sarcaustic - you need to refere back into the sands of time, circa 500 posts ago or something, to see from where it all arises.
BTW all, is this an endurance event? And will there be random dope tests?
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Yes, all we need is a random dope !
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04-11-2005, 18:15
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by fireman328
Yes, all we need is a random dope !
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Shouldn't take long for one to come along!
And with that, I'm off to the pub to kill myself with Guinness and second hand smoke.
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04-11-2005, 18:42
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Chris T
No, you're reiterating your somewhat slanted misinterpretation of what I was saying the other day. And you know that's the case, because my post explaining it to you appeared right below it.
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Your actual meaning was chrystal clear to the large majority of us Chris, worry not!
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11-01-2006, 14:03
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Re: smoking and the pub
It seems Patricia Hewitt is going to vote against her own department's policy on the smoking ban when it gets to Parliament - Blair has decided there should be a free vote, leaving Hewitt free to campaign for the total ban she always wanted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4600910.stm
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11-01-2006, 14:08
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Re: smoking and the pub
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Originally Posted by Chris T
It seems Patricia Hewitt is going to vote against her own department's policy on the smoking ban when it gets to Parliament - Blair has decided there should be a free vote, leaving Hewitt free to campaign for the total ban she always wanted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4600910.stm
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Well with the definite risks of passive smoking I for one hope this comes off.A total ban will save lives or in the least improve the health of say non smokers who work in a pub.I don't mind smokers but I do mind them smoking near my daughter.Most reasonable smokers will accept the dangers of passive smoking and any reasonable person will not want to put others at risk
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