[Merged] Football talk

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not exactly we founded the 1st division along with a few other clubs and so we put ourselves in there along with those teams. It was nothing to do with a reward.

You what??? And its usually Man Utd fans accused of knowing nothing about their teams history!

The founding clubs are Preston North End, Bolton Wanderers, Everton, Burnley, Accrington, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Notts County, Derby County and Stoke.
The league was founded in 1888.

Arsenal, or Woolwich Arsenal as I think they were called then, were elected to the second divison in 1893.

[sherer]

crewe alexandria are one of the teams with an x in their name.. not sure on the other 2 though..

Originally Posted by gazzae

You what??? And its usually Man Utd fans accused of knowing nothing about their teams history!

The founding clubs are Preston North End, Bolton Wanderers, Everton, Burnley, Accrington, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Notts County, Derby County and Stoke.
The league was founded in 1888.

Arsenal, or Woolwich Arsenal as I think they were called then, were elected to the second divison in 1893.

I corrected myself in the later post.

http://www.arsenal-world.co.uk/news/...l.asp?CID=ED21

[iadom]

Originally Posted by gazzae

You what??? And its usually Man Utd fans accused of knowing nothing about their teams history!

The founding clubs are Preston North End, Bolton Wanderers, Everton, Burnley, Accrington, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Notts County, Derby County and Stoke.
The league was founded in 1888.

Arsenal, or Woolwich Arsenal as I think they were called then, were elected to the second divison in 1893.

They should have called it the Lancashire and Midlands league, no sign of any southern jessies back then.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Damien

I corrected myself in the later post.

http://www.arsenal-world.co.uk/news/...l.asp?CID=ED21

Hmmm - that article says:

In 1919 Arsenal were controversially elected to the expanded First Division, precedent suggested that Tottenham should have retained their place in the new set-up. However the machinations of Henry Norris meant the new place was awarded to Arsenal instead.

I found this on www.thegooner.com:

On the 6th of September 1913, Arsenal played their first game at the new ground of Highbury. The ground was not yet fully prepared and funds for the new ground were short. The builder of the stand took a cut of gate receipts to pay for its construction. The match was against Leicester Fosse, which we won 2-1, with goals from Andy Devine and George Jobey. For the next two seasons Arsenal came close to regaining first division status but then came World War One. Many players went back to munitions work whilst others joined up to fight. When football resumed after the war in September 1919 the football league decided to increase the number of teams from 20 to 22. Usually in a case such as this the two teams who should have been relegated would retain their place and the top two from the lower division would go up to make up the numbers. Norris however sat on the Management Committee and managed to persuade the committee members to vote Spurs (bottom of Division One) down and Arsenal (only 5th in Division Two) up. This further fueled the rivalry between the two sets of supporters. The reason given was that Arsenal had been in the league for longer than Spurs.

I remember reading about this in the Sunday paper a few weeks ago - it basically shows that the only reason Arsenal were promoted instead of Spurs was because of Norris' backhanders, bribes and potential blackmail

Oh well - anybody else want to accuse Arsenal of dodgy dealing with the FA

Thats true but it was over 70 years ago before football was as it is now

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Thats true but it was over 70 years ago before football was as it is now

Erm...yes.....(ahem)....there's no corruption in football anymore is there......?

Not over here, There isnt that much compared to other sports

[Russ]

We're not talking about 'other sports'?

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Damien

Thats true but it was over 70 years ago before football was as it is now

Ah so you agree with what I said earlier now then?

I agree that we where lucky to get picked but that was a year after the first would war its quite a while ago ya know

[Russ]

So they got in through corruption....and according to this, a team like the Arse could have success which owes a lot to corruption too.

Originally Posted by Nugget

D'oh!! Must pay more attention to what teams are actually called - the third one will be Crewe Alexandra then

Correct !!!!!!!!!

How on earth does that apply to arsenal?!

How on earth can you say we are successful though corruption? We won because we played excellent football. If you remember its man united who got in trouble recently for dealing with agents not Arsenal. We never have enough money to spend loads on players

Stop trying to discredit Arsenal, are you man united fans? Before you say we benfited from that agents what about this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/3443919.stm

Originally Posted by iadom

I believe the answer to No: 2 is arsenal

Correct !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!