U.S Election 2020

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

There's also the little matter of evidence. Courts are pedantic about that sort of thing. Apparently tweets don't count.

Evidence arrives after investigation.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's the way the whole postal vote has been handled it has a bad smell to it ,and many of the state officials don't seem to give a damn because they dislike trump.

But how does that "screw things for the rest of us"?

The difficulty the rest of the West has in whether or not there is political/diplomatic honesty in, for example the UK - very difficult.

Originally Posted by downquark1

He won't concede if he thinks he can win in courts, that isn't how he crafts narratives. I guess it is up to state legalities if the counts get modified, but I don't think 2 states would be difficult if he can pull out overt recount descrepencies in both cases.

Well it couldn't be the two states for which there are recounts as that wouldn't be enough so he either needs a big state and one of those I mentioned or three states.

It would end up the Supreme Court and he would need large evidence of widespread fraud. The Supreme Court is, imo, not going to flip multiple states to change the winner of the election without something really, really big.

So yes if Trump has evidence the election was literally rigged then he might have a shot but if he is complaining about some of the process then nah.

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Just as an example the Trump campaign has had another press conference at 'Four Seasons Total Landscaping' (Trump originally said Four Seasons, Philadelphia so people assumed the hotel, not sure if it's a mistake and they got the wrong Four Seasons...) and again in response to requests for evidence they didn't provide any.

If you have it, show it and go to court. Otherwise you can't expect people to give it much attention and weight.

[downquark1]

He may trigger a recount by providing evidence to the state legislator. It is a state level unless federal law is broken. The Kennedy election was suspecious but the person involved got appointed as the district attorney and promptly decided not to investigate himself, by that time Kennedy was already president and the federal level decided not to pursue it.

As I said we'll see. He hasn't provided too much so far and Biden can do without any single one of these states. Until a serious court challenge looks possible I don't think there is any reason not to press ahead with the assumption Biden is the President-Elect.

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World Leaders including Boris Johnson have stated congratulating Biden and the phone calls will be being made soon I would assume.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by downquark1

He may trigger a recount by providing evidence to the state legislator. It is a state level unless federal law is broken. The Kennedy election was suspecious but the person involved got appointed as the district attorney and promptly decided not to investigate himself, by that time Kennedy was already president and the federal level decided not to pursue it.

Evidence of what?

[downquark1]

Fraud.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But how does that "screw things for the rest of us"?

The difficulty the rest of the West has in whether or not there is political/diplomatic honesty in, for example the UK - very difficult.

If you can pull off a con this size in the USA [if it is proven to be ] the rest of us small fry are screwed, when it happens here and everyone turns a blind eye it will be too late democracy will be dead comrade sephski . i mean look at the situation now 1 fake graph and all of England has lost it civil rights .

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If you can pull off a con this size in the USA [if it is proven to be ] the rest of us small fry are screwed, when it happens here and everyone turns a blind eye it will be too late democracy will be dead comrade sephski . i mean look at the situation now 1 fake graph and all of England has lost it civil rights .

Youre assuming state and non-state actors aren’t already interfering in our elections.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If you can pull off a con this size in the USA [if it is proven to be ] the rest of us small fry are screwed, when it happens here and everyone turns a blind eye it will be too late democracy will be dead comrade sephski . i mean look at the situation now 1 fake graph and all of England has lost it civil rights .

So how have you discovered evidence of this 'con' from Cleethorpes?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So how have you discovered evidence of this 'con' from Cleethorpes?

we don't all live in a cabbage patch

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If you can pull off a con this size in the USA [if it is proven to be ] the rest of us small fry are screwed, when it happens here and everyone turns a blind eye it will be too late democracy will be dead comrade sephski . i mean look at the situation now 1 fake graph and all of England has lost it civil rights .

Best not to "comrade" me, Papa. But your final sentence has merit, but nothing to do with the USA.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Fraud.

Good luck with that.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Good luck with that.

Trump expanded his vote since last time including amongst minorities. So either a much much larger number of people decided to oppose him this time or the numbers are rotten. Those are the two stories in conflict here.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Trump expanded his vote since last time including amongst minorities. So either a much much larger number of people decided to oppose him this time or the numbers are rotten. Those are the two stories in conflict here.

The Democrats have increased their vote by 9 million so obviously more came out to vote for them then came out to vote for Trump.