The energy crisis

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

He could announce the next package of support and not worry that the new candidates would prefer to do it. He is the PM. He still has tools at his disposal.

Maybe there isn't one yet and the new PM will make that decision.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Damien

Really? What kind of system is that? Usually most of these you're topping it with cash and it charges that amount by the cost of energy at the time of usage.

With a non smart card meter, you pay for the rate at the time you pay for it.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...per-rates-for/

[papa smurf]

An Ofgem spokesperson told Moneysavingexpert.com: "Smart prepayment meters update prices automatically – so topping up in advance would not make a difference. With non-smart prepayment meters, the price customers pay is fixed at the point they top up.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

BBBUT having a prime minister in place to run the country and make these decisions wasn't as important as revenge for a slice of cake, you can't have your cake revenge and eat it.

Presumably he's not taking a salary at the moment then

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I don’t think it’s necessarily an anti-Government position to think there should be something more comprehensive announced earlier. Consumer confidence (to the extent that exists at all any more) relies upon certainty, or at least a strong belief that something will happen. Otherwise people will be planning ahead to the extent they can, crushing discretionary spend in the economy and the industries that rely upon it until people know what will be affordable for them.

No good having a bleeding heart over the economy now jfman, after cheerleading lockdowns and furloughs that kickstarted the inflationary crisis.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No good having a bleeding heart over the economy now jfman, after cheerleading lockdowns and furloughs that kickstarted the inflationary crisis.

Now, now Pierre. You must have missed the memo from CCHQ. It’s Putin’s fault, and this is a wartime effort. Churchill and all that. Blitz spirit.

How’s inflation in Sweden?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

Now, now Pierre. You must have missed the memo from CCHQ. It’s Putin’s fault, and this is a wartime effort. Churchill and all that. Blitz spirit.

How’s inflation in Sweden?

It'll also be the fault of remainers, BOE, the EU, the civil service, the NHS, lazy British workers and Sooty.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

How’s inflation in Sweden?

Better than ours.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Better than ours.

That’s not saying much

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

There is a PM. Just because he's checked out in a massive sulk doesn't mean he isn't PM. If he had any sense of public duty he would do his job until it's finished.

It's a real shame buyers' remorse isn't an energy source; if it were, we'd have the lowest energy prices in Europe instead of one of the highest.

[Pierre]

How would nationalising the energy operators reduce costs from this breakdown?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

How would nationalising the energy operators reduce costs from this breakdown?

By taking control of our energy strategy and linking the price to the cost of extraction as opposed to having it controlled by speculation in essentially a financial market.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4237

I couldn’t have put it better myself. We just lack the will.

[Jaymoss]

I know it is supply and demand and all that but the producers do not have to charge exaggerated prices just because they can. People like that will first up against the wall come the inevitable revolution (not saying this will cause the revolution but as the world climate and over population it really is inevitable)

[pip08456]

U.K. facing beer shortage as key carbon dioxide producer pauses operations.

On Wednesday, CF Fertilizers—one of the largest fertilizer producers in the U.K.—released an extremely consequential statement for British brewers and pubs.

The company will be temporarily suspending its production of ammonia at one of its largest plants, citing rising costs for natural gas and carbon leading to “uneconomical” market conditions.

Ammonia is a key ingredient used in fertilizer, but the manufacturing process behind it also creates a very useful byproduct: carbon dioxide. Producers like CF Fertilizers then sell the resultant CO2 to brewers who use it to carbonate beer and give it its distinctive fizz.

But the halt in ammonia production means that brewers and beer lovers won’t be able to rely on CF’s CO2 for a while.

“Once the ammonia plant is safely shut down, CO2 production, which is a byproduct of the ammonia production process, will stop until the plant is restarted,” the company said in its statement.

https://fortune.com/2022/08/25/uk-ca...-supply-snags/

Edit: Forgot the link

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jaymoss

i know it is supply and demand and all that but the producers do not have to charge exaggerated prices just because they can. People like that will first up against the wall come the inevitable revolution (not saying this will cause the revolution but as the world climate and over population it really is inevitable)

how many more times. The producers do not set the prices.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

U.K. facing beer shortage as key carbon dioxide producer pauses operations.

According the the Green and Organic mobs, the plant shouldn't exist as they want to ban fertiliser. How would that work?