Brexit

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Trouble is, Den, that compromise would have meant no end to freedom of movement, acceptance of the customs union which we thought we were getting out of and basically taking away the advantages of leaving to such an extent that we would be better off staying in.

So let's not flag wave for Labour and the other opposition parties without actually appreciating that Labour is reneging on its manifesto commitment and betraying the will of the electorate in terms of their majority vote in the referendum.

You may have thought you were voting to quit the Customs Union, but many leavers did not as it was not stated one way or the other. But a smaller country cannot negotiate better trade deals than a significantly larger bloc; thus you're correct in appreciating we'd be better off remaining in the EU.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I will if you and your buddies do, Den.

l ain't buddies with any of them OB as my eyes can see clearly and one thing is pretty clear to me and that is the shockingly poor leadership that has come from both leaders when our country's need was at its greatest.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Trouble is, Den, that compromise would have meant no end to freedom of movement, acceptance of the customs union which we thought we were getting out of and basically taking away the advantages of leaving to such an extent that we would be better off staying in.

So let's not flag wave for Labour and the other opposition parties without actually appreciating that Labour is reneging on its manifesto commitment and betraying the will of the electorate in terms of their majority vote in the referendum.

Unless one compromises one just goes round on a never ending vicious circle without any clear ending in sight and the vast majority of the populace now are just fed up with it all now and just want a end to this shambolic shitshow which has encompassed the last three years.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

l ain't buddies with any of them OB as my eyes can see clearly and one thing is pretty clear to me and that is the shockingly poor leadership that has come from both leaders when our country's need was at its greatest.

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Unless one compromises one just goes round on a never ending vicious circle without any clear ending in sight and the vast majority of the populace now are just fed up with it all now and just want a end to this shambolic shitshow which has entailed the last three years.

Exactly, Den. Whatever my views on Brexit and Jezza, I think May is now doing the right thing and I applaud her courage

[Angua]

it would be deliciously ironic if Corbyn insisted on aligned rights for women in NI as part of his cooperation.

Originally Posted by Carth

I might even tell her Her Majesty's Government that there may be a 'transitional period' during which my tax and national insurance payments need letters of clarification - in triplicate - signed by the President of our glorious masters the EU

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So let's not flag wave for Labour and the other opposition parties without actually appreciating that Labour is reneging on its manifesto commitment and betraying the will of the electorate in terms of their majority vote in the referendum.

Parties that lose are not bound by their manifesto. Wouldn't make sense either since often the parties have to change having lost.

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Originally Posted by Angua

it would be deliciously ironic if Corbyn insisted on aligned rights for women in NI as part of his cooperation.

It's what annoys me most about the DUP. For all their talk of the union they seem quite happy not to be aligned with the UK when it comes to these kinds of laws.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Angua

it would be deliciously ironic if Corbyn insisted on aligned rights for women in NI as part of his cooperation.

Lol, that would be perfect! The DUP are the one party that until now seemed to have their cake and eat it.

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Originally Posted by Carth

So that's it then, game over and we stay in the EU. Parliament & the EU have re-written the rules of engagement . .

I think Brexit will happen but you're right to prepare yourself in case it doesn't. I think the current situation is regrettably due to the actions of the UK. We should have come up with an agreed plan before invoking Article 50.

I think Brexit is more likely to happen now, and soon. A 2nd referendum is only likely if no other option is found.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think Brexit is more likely to happen now, and soon. A 2nd referendum is only likely if no other option is found.

Depends on your definition of Brexit. We can still have the blue passports whatever, so that's the main thing
I knew Jezza would come to the rescue, he's a true Gent who'd answer any maiden in distress

Tbf good for TM too if she has genuinely put the country before her extremist nutty party. The right will rue the day they forced her to go and gave her nothing to lose.

Anyway back to the beach, this has been pleasant viewing from a few thousand miles away... The EU and it denizens are lovely, don't know what we ever complained about Maybe we can all live together in peace and harmony ?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You may have thought you were voting to quit the Customs Union, but many leavers did not as it was not stated one way or the other. But a smaller country cannot negotiate better trade deals than a significantly larger bloc; thus you're correct in appreciating we'd be better off remaining in the EU.

While it might be true that some would not have been aware of what a customs union was, the message that we would be able to forge our own trade deals was made abundantly clear. That requires us leaving the customs union.

Your analysis of negotiations between bigger blocs and smaller countries is too simplistic. You only have to look how Singapore operates, appreciate that we could operate as a lower tariff country, bear in mind that we are the 5th largest economy of the world, and little facts such as these, to realise that there is no reason why we could not improve our fortunes outside of the EU.

You take no notice of the negatives of staying in the EU against the new opportunities that would exist for us, and this is the big flaw in your arguments and these economic forecasts, which give too much emphasis to the possible downsides and nowhere near enough to the upsides.

BREAKING: And so it begins: Nigel Adams MP has Resigned from Theresa May Cabinet.

[denphone]

How many is that now...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: And so it begins: Nigel Adams MP has Resigned from Theresa May Cabinet.

Who? Didn't he used to be in Crossroads?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

l ain't buddies with any of them OB as my eyes can see clearly and one thing is pretty clear to me and that is the shockingly poor leadership that has come from both leaders when our country's need was at its greatest.

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Unless one compromises one just goes round on a never ending vicious circle without any clear ending in sight and the vast majority of the populace now are just fed up with it all now and just want a end to this shambolic shitshow which has encompassed the last three years.

It's not poor leadership, Den, it is the consequence of having no parliamentary majority and a sharp difference of opinion between leavers and remainers, a combination of which splits both major parties and indeed the whole country. I blame the remainers in both parties for this chaos because they are failing to implement the will of the electorate.

As for compromise, no. You cannot compromise on this because having voted to leave, these people are trying to have us with one foot in and one foot out of the EU. That would put us in a worse place than we are now, unable to take advantage of the opportunities that would otherwise present themselves and leaving us as rule takers.

We have to be either in or out, and the electorate voted out. It is as simple and straight forward as that and our elected politicians need to do their job.

Originally Posted by denphone

How many is that now...

I’m told there is 5 current Ministerial positions that remain vacant.

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A Cabinet Resignation watch by the media has now begun.

We’re now in Imminent General Election territory.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

I’m told there is 5 current Ministerial positions that remain vacant.

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A Cabinet Resignation watch by the media has now begun.

We’re now in Imminent General Election territory.

General Election territory could well change the political landscape existentially given the political fault lines are as deep as they have ever been in this country.