Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[tdadyslexia]

The petition is up to 15,086 Signatures Total on 02/07/2008

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No comments on #10691

[Anonymouse]

Originally Posted by Peter N

Thank you.

If you'll forgive me for quoting from a Star Trek film...

"Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we CAN do a thing doesn't mean that we MUST do that thing."

- the President of the United Federation of Planets, addressing the Khitomer Peace Conference
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

- yeah, yeah, I'm a Trekker too. So shoot me already.

DPI is not progress of any kind (or rather, it is...provided that you define progress in the way Phorm apparently do), but it definitely meets the President's definition of something that can but should not be done.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by SimonHickling

We believe that, in general, we can rely upon website owners' implied consent where websites have not taken steps to make their sites inaccessible generally, for example by excluding major search engines such as Google via robots.txt.

Over and above this, we are also taking reasonable steps to exclude specific websites from profiling upon specific request from the website owner. As per my previous email, if you provide me with the domain name for your website (and confirmation of ownership) then we will ensure that it is excluded from profiling within Webwise.

Oh dear.

I'll file that in my copyright evidence folder.

You see, you're required to obtain a copyright licence IN ADVANCE before you copy, adapt, and sell a literary work. Copyright exists by default, unless you have the express consent of the owner of the literary work, you must therefore assume it is copyright. And the copyright in literary work lasts 70 years from the authors death if I recall correctly, 50 years if its a computer generated work.

So sadly for BT, they can't rely on a 'there was nothing to stop me' defence.

Copyright owners are not obliged to notify all ISPs in the world that they don't want their work copied, nor are they obliged to block legitimate end users from accessing their content using IP ranges, nor are they required to create a robots.txt that somehow permits* Phorm. ISPs are obliged to obtain a copyright licence in advance.

But quite apart from that, mass surveillance should never happen. The right to privacy, security, and integrity of communication must never be compromised by communication service providers. That's what they are paid for, its what a democracy requires, and you can't run an economy without it.

*Bearing in mind, robots.txt is EXCLUSIVE (disallow) not INCLUSIVE (allow). See parasitestxt.org for a comparable industry standard for INCLUSIVE robot control.

[Deko]

On the internet no one should hear your stream.

That came to me on the bus into work just now.

EDIT: he made me do it.

[icsys]

Phorm: The 666th sense...
"I see stream, people!"


I fear the thread digressing again

[AlexanderHanff]

If anyone fancies looking the part for the protest they can get T-Shirts here:

http://nodpi.spreadshirt.net/en/GB/Shop

I just got one myself so people will be able to identify me on the day.

Alexander Hanff

[Wildie]

what no guy forks masks so they can`t phomally id you all and serve you with ad,s:P

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Wildie

what not guy forks masks so they can`t phomally id you all and serve you with ad,s:P

Hehehehe

Alexander Hanff

[rryles]

Originally Posted by madslug

I think that the point he is trying to make is that Webwise will also warn you before you visit a phishing site, as long as it uses a valid http URL.

Sorry HW, I have a honeypot for phishing emails and I rarely see an http URL - they are ALL https.

I was looking over the last few pages of the thread this morning and was going to make the same point but you beat me to it.

This is a very good argument against the only "benefit" webwise offers.

> As an average web user why should I want webwise?

> Because it protects you from phising attacks for free

> Only the ones that don't use SSL - which is a diminishing percentage. The freely available browser based solutions that are enabled by default can stop every phishing attempt that webwise can and many more.

That's very difficult to argue against. The only thing missing is some hard facts on how common https versus http phishing urls are. I've had a look but so far only found anecdotal evidence from several years ago.

[tdadyslexia]

Hi All

Just put up a new version of my Kent Down The Pan, this one is an Anti-Phorm Video, the text on You Tube is this: This is an Anti-Phorm Video, to find out about Phorm and the Anti-Phorm campaign go to: www.nodpi.org or www.badPhorm.co.uk

The new video is Here enjoy.

[madslug]

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia

No comments on #10691

'Speechless' is the word you are looking for.
Most call centre staff are only paid by success and probably you were not the first to mention webwise that day. Maybe there is a big sign saying 'don't talk about webwise'.

Almost as good as the call I had from whichever call centre was promoting BT broadband - back in the days when the discount was about £10 per month. Poor telesales had no idea what Webwise was and assured me that Webwise was not part of the features and that if Webwise was put on the system I could cancel any time I wanted to. If only I had had a tape recorder.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by madslug

If only I had had a tape recorder.

Skype + Pamela

Alexander Hanff

[tdadyslexia]

Originally Posted by madslug

'Speechless' is the word you are looking for.
Most call centre staff are only paid by success and probably you were not the first to mention webwise that day. Maybe there is a big sign saying 'don't talk about webwise'.

Almost as good as the call I had from whichever call centre was promoting BT broadband - back in the days when the discount was about £10 per month. Poor telesales had no idea what Webwise was and assured me that Webwise was not part of the features and that if Webwise was put on the system I could cancel any time I wanted to. If only I had had a tape recorder.

I do have a tape recorder I can bug my home Phone, but not my Mobil what thay Phoned me on! Dddddddddddddddddddddrat

[Tharrick]

We believe that, in general, we can rely upon website owners' implied consent where websites have not taken steps to make their sites inaccessible generally, for example by excluding major search engines such as Google via robots.txt.

Well then, I believe that given that the various music and movie publishing companies haven't taken sufficient steps to make their works un-copyable, so I shall assume that consent is implied and not feel guilty when I download 50gb of music later.

</sarcasm>

Originally Posted by icsys

Phorm: The 666th sense...
"I see stream, people!"


I fear the thread digressing again

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