Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by Florence

Yes but we don't have access totheir findings plus we all know the way questions are asked can bring different answers had they said they were monitoring your every click, website looking at all the information to gather keywords then target you with adverts from this, might give a different response to the question about protecting you from phishing websites and relevent adverts. Notice the economic use of the truth to get the reply you want to be an excuse to implement the spy in the network.

what would be good would be to ask them about their trust in BT at the start, do your bit, then tell tem about web wise and repeat question 1 and see if they have changed their answer

bet most would

peter

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http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/

just hit 15,001

peter

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Deko

@ Alex

where is this news you talked about that was under NDA ?????

It was a very promising discussion I was having with a company regarding some sponsorship for the protest event but everything seemed to go quiet towards the end of last week. If I don't hear back before the end of this week I will assume it is a no go, which will be a shame because it would have helped considerably.

Alexander Hanff

[HamsterWheel]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Still not finalised so not able to discuss it. If I don't hear back before the end of the week I will assume it is a no go, which will be a shame because it would have helped considerably.

Alexander Hanff

Go on Alex, give us a clue ?

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More evidence of the size of the internet advertising market, and it's ever-increasing nature.
Phorm is just a way of ensuring that Telegraph readers get to see relevant advertising, and not the sort of stuff that would be seen on sale in The Mirror.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...bcntrin130.xml

[TheBruce1]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

More evidence of the size of the internet advertising market, and it's ever-increasing nature.
Phorm is just a way of ensuring that Telegraph readers get to see relevant advertising, and not the sort of stuff that would be seen on sale in The Mirror.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...bcntrin130.xml

More likely decreasing is the ad market, i do not buy a newspaper to read the ads, i do not look at the ads, newspaper and phorm spyware are two different things, hamsterwheel how does phorm enhance my privacy, please do tell.

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by TheBruce1

More likely decreasing is the ad market, i do not buy a newspaper to read the ads, i do not look at the ads, newspaper and phorm spyware are too different things, hamsterwheel how does phorm enhance my privacy, please do tell.

perhaps hamster would also like to enlighten us on the contents of the diagnostic logs on the profiler and ad servers which are kept for upto 14 days and shipped?

you thought we had forgotten about them didnt you hammy???

then explain about privacy invasion

peter

[TheBruce1]

Originally Posted by bluecar1

perhaps hamster would also like to enlighten us on the contents of the diagnostic logs on the profiler and ad servers which are kept for upto 14 days and shipped?

Yes indeed, what happens to our profile after 14 days(or 21,28 or whatever it maybe in the future)hamster, where does it go, how is our data disposed of, please enlighten us.

Lets watch hamsterwheel rush around the internet looking for the answers

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by TheBruce1

Yes indeed, what happens to our profile after 14 days(or 21,28 or whatever it maybe in the future)hamster, where does it go, how is our data disposed of, please enlighten us.

This was apparently asked of **** at the Town Hall Q&A from a couple of months ago...and from what I can gather was answered via his usual and unique interpretation of 'openness and transparency' .But we'll never know now, due to phorms open and transpart policy of not releasing the video.

What is contained in the debug and research logs, where it is processed and what happens to them after 14 days has, as far as I am aware, never been answered to any ones satisfaction.

That reminds me, anyone heard how Capt' Jamie is? Thoughts are still with him and his family.

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by TheBruce1

Yes indeed, what happens to our profile after 14 days(or 21,28 or whatever it maybe in the future)hamster, where does it go, how is our data disposed of, please enlighten us.

Lets watch hamsterwheel rush around the internet looking for the answers

i might have found some info on the missing market research see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07...lies_and_bofh/

peter

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Phorm is just a way of ensuring that Telegraph readers get to see relevant advertising, and not the sort of stuff that would be seen on sale in The Mirror.
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... by illegally intercepting private communication traffic between web site owners and web users (including users who have not opted in, and users who have specifically instructed their ISP not to process data for marketing), corrupting the integrity of that traffic with fraudulent cookies and imposter redirections, creating a valuable personal profile of the users involved, and most importantly thieving copyright web content without a licence obtained in advance.

I guess that would include the consent and content of the Mirror and the Telegraph too?

All this from a firm who it is alleged were responsible for spyware and rootkits, with a team of developers in Moscow, who conspired with BT to run a secret and also illegal trial of the system in 2006 and 2007 potentially profiling hundreds of thousands of victims without consent, and stealing web content in the process.

Its an interesting proposition, and superficially appealing as an idea, but there is a serious flaw in the plan. Because it is illegal it will more likely never happen (again) in the UK (or Europe for that matter).

And if it hadn't been for us meddling kids Phorm might have gotten away with it too.

If you have money to invest, SSL certificate authority shares are probably a wise choice. Because even if deep packet inspection is switched on, then I predict that web traffic will simply become sdfkjhlwrq fb987qw4p9 8ypg98yqwypq9243yrpqw e89ypsf9k jhawera w.k awecr.aa..kjh.akjs 9sf09 "£$"£AGAGW£QF"Q qweulaASDF hfli987aerih a£"$"£ asdfasd fa"£GSDHytrebrsse
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[warescouse]

Originally Posted by TheBruce1

More likely decreasing is the ad market, i do not buy a newspaper to read the ads, i do not look at the ads, newspaper and phorm spyware are two different things, ******** how does phorm enhance my privacy, please do tell.

I regard most ads as spam. Something I don't want, something I don't need and something I would not buy via the advert link. If I need anything online I will use one of the search engines that I have some trust in. (Certainly not any Phorm/Webwise OIX network).

I do not like adverts on pages that I am viewing for general browsing. There is a distinct difference between pages I view for general browsing and those I use for buying. I never click on paid advert links because I don't trust them in the same manner as the organic adverts. Phorm or their clients would never get any of my business, that's for certain.

And ******** you know who you are.

[HamsterWheel]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

It was a very promising discussion I was having with a company regarding some sponsorship for the protest event but everything seemed to go quiet towards the end of last week. If I don't hear back before the end of this week I will assume it is a no go, which will be a shame because it would have helped considerably.

Alexander Hanff

No doubt the company spent the money on internet advertising instead - it's a growing market you know

Going down - 1,137.00 this morning:

Share Price: 1,125.00

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShareTrades.asp...re=phorm_reg_s

[jtechs]

even if you invest in SSL, if the page is public then they can just follow your URL, unless this is encapsulated in the SSL tunnel... if you goto https://www.somesite.org/secret/location.php they can see the GET (or am i wrong on this?)

J

[NTLVictim]

Hopefully someone somewhere is coming up with an ESSL protocol..

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by Florence

Yes but we don't have access totheir findings plus we all know the way questions are asked can bring different answers had they said they were monitoring your every click, website looking at all the information to gather keywords then target you with adverts from this, might give a different response to the question about protecting you from phishing websites and relevent adverts. Notice the economic use of the truth to get the reply you want to be an excuse to implement the spy in the network.

The document you need is entitled "Premium Browsing: Research Findings" and is the survey BT did and which revealed that we all really want Phorm/Webwise. (Source ICO - document witheld as commercially sensitive)

Not sure if they did the survey before their secret illegal trials in 2006 and 2007 or after. I haven't been able to get a copy but I think it more or less looks like this...

Q1 - don't you hate all those irrelevant intrusive adverts - would you be interested in reducing the number of irrelevant adverts you have to look at online?
Well, yes, sort of..... - that's why I use Adblock, Flashblock, antispyware programs, and an up to date hosts file
Q2 - do you want to keep your computer secure from phishing attacks?
Well, yes, that's why I use a decent secure browser with a few secure addons.... and actually your spam filters help there too....

There - told you Phorm/Webwise was what you spent your life waiting for.

I'd love to know the name of the person who interpreted that survey as being supportive of Phorm. They could get a great job in politics.