Coronavirus (OLD)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Take it up with that left wing rag The Torygraph then....

The newspaper publishing the article containing the allegation about Cummings was The Sunday Times which is nonetheless a right-wing newspaper controlled by Rupert Murdoch.
The Telegraph just reported the Government's denials.

Here’s the actual bit from the article in the Sunday Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ever-spz6sc9vb

Dominic Cummings, the prime minister’s senior aide, became convinced that Britain would be better able to resist a lethal second wave of the disease next winter if Whitty’s prediction that 60% to 80% of the population became infected was right and the UK developed “herd immunity”.

At a private engagement at the end of February, Cummings outlined the government’s strategy. Those present say it was “herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad”.

At the Sage meeting on March 12, a moment now dubbed the “Domoscene conversion”, Cummings changed his mind. In this “penny-drop moment”, he realised he had helped set a course for catastrophe. Until this point, the rise in British infections had been below the European average. Now they were above it and on course to emulate Italy, where the picture was bleak. A minister said: “Seeing what was happening in Italy was the galvanising force across government.”

By Friday, March 13, Cummings had become the most outspoken advocate of a tough crackdown. “Dominic himself had a conversion,” a senior Tory said. “He’s gone from ‘herd immunity and let the old people die’, to ‘let’s shut down the country and the economy.’”

Lot of paraphrasing going on there...

[Taf]

It is a disease passed from animal to human to which we have no natural defences.

[denphone]

Army to distribute masks and protective suits to frontline NHS staff.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...staff-11962153

The army is being brought in to support the supply chain after NHS staff warned they did not have the correct equipment to protect themselves as they treat hundreds of patients with coronavirus.

[ntluser]

It's ironic that we are advised to stay at home to avoid catching the coronavirus yet hundreds of people have been out panic buying food.

In the 1950's when food was short we were rationed, so people can make their food last longer by eating smaller portions. For some people it will be a good way to lose weight and get fit by doing home exercise since being very over weight is a coronavirus risk factor. Losing weight also improves your blood pressure.

Working from home is beneficial for climate change since the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has dropped considerably because fewer people are driving to work. Maybe after this crisis, the government will continue this.

On a different tack. it's also worth considering that pets can catch the virus and pass it on to family members so maybe some form of pet isolation may be necessary.

Originally Posted by ntluser

It's ironic that we are advised to stay at home to avoid catching the coronavirus yet hundreds of people have been out panic buying food.

In the 1950's when food was short we were rationed, so people can make their food last longer by eating smaller portions. For some people it will be a good way to lose weight and get fit by doing home exercise since being very over weight is a coronavirus risk factor. Losing weight also improves your blood pressure.

Working from home is beneficial for climate change since the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has dropped considerably because fewer people are driving to work. Maybe after this crisis, the government will continue this.

On a different tack. it's also worth considering that pets can catch the virus and pass it on to family members so maybe some form of pet isolation may be necessary.

Proof?

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Originally Posted by Taf

It is a disease passed from animal to human to which we have no natural defences.

Got any links about it being passed to pets?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Got any links about it being passed to pets?

I think the poster has a responsibility to remove that post as it's spreading misinformation and if it was on Facebook or Twitter, those companies would do just that.

The WHO and NHS says there is no evidence that pets can become infected or pass the virus to people.

https://fullfact.org/health/can-anim...s-from-humans/

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the poster has a responsibility to remove that post as it's spreading misinformation and if it was on Facebook or Twitter, those companies would do just that.

https://fullfact.org/health/can-anim...s-from-humans/

On the other hand.

A viral immunologist and veterinary surgeon, Sarah Caddy, has written that the test used in Hong Kong would be unable to detect whether the dog had the virus or if it had “simply licked contaminated surfaces in the home”.
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The WHO says “it is always a good idea to wash your hand with soap and water after contact with pets. This protects you against various common bacteria such as E. coli and Salmonella that can pass between pets and humans”.
The Hong Kong Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department gave similar advice on good hygiene practice for pet owners, including additional advice of avoiding kissing pets. It also warned that “pet owners need not be overly concerned and under no circumstances should they abandon their pets”.
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The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention says “You should restrict contact with pets and other animals while you are sick with COVID-19, just like you would around other people.

If an inanimate object such as a door handle can be part of a transmission process, then animal fur can also. Dog fleas may not thrive or reproduce on humans, but they do jump(ie transmit) from dogs to humans, and then possibly back to a different dog where they can thrive and reproduce.

[jonbxx]

I learnt a new word today from my German colleagues;

Hamsterkauf

From hamster, the small rodent who stores food in its' cheeks and kauf, which means shop/purchase. Hamsterkauf is a panic bulk buyer and hoarder

[Mr K]

Unbelievable, tubes still packed this morning. Wtf goes through people's heads?? Calling them thick is an insult to thick people. They should be open for health/essential workers only, and be free for them.
London is going to be a disaster zone that needed locking down several days ago. Those who have failed to act should face manslaughter charges.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I learnt a new word today from my German colleagues;

Hamsterkauf

From hamster, the small rodent who stores food in its' cheeks and kauf, which means shop/purchase. Hamsterkauf is a panic bulk buyer and hoarder

Yea so i've got you the 500 loo rolls you ordered

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Unbelievable, tubes still packed this morning. Wtf goes through people's heads?? Calling them thick is an insult to thick people. They should be open for health/essential workers only, and be free for them.
London is going to be a disaster zone that needed locking down several days ago. Those who have failed to act should face manslaughter charges.

Reducing the number of trains, increases the number of passengers. So the risk of a driver compared to a full load of passengers all close together. Crazy.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Unbelievable, tubes still packed this morning. Wtf goes through people's heads?? Calling them thick is an insult to thick people. They should be open for health/essential workers only, and be free for them.
London is going to be a disaster zone that needed locking down several days ago. Those who have failed to act should face manslaughter charges.

It was staggering the amount of traffic coming into Cleethorpes yesterday,the sun was shining and they were having a day by the sea

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by peanut

Reducing the number of trains, increases the number of passengers. So the risk of a driver compared to a full load of passengers all close together. Crazy.

The rationale for reducing services is that it was assumed there would be less demand. The drivers are essentially protected in their cabs.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It was staggering the amount of traffic coming into Cleethorpes yesterday,the sun was shining and they were having a day by the sea

Yes, Cleethorpes is unbelievable, Skegness I can understand....

Maybe it's natural selection of the stupidest.