Speed Increases 1st June - 2meg to 4meg

[Mauldor]

Most ADSL ISP have gone the 'upto' 8Mbit route with Varying Prices depending on Useage (as low as 1 Gig month) and Upload Speed. For NTL to bring in across the board 10mbit with diff Useage, they will need some way to monitor and act once you have gone over that Useage. You may ask why a person with say a 5 GIG month Cap for example would want 10mbit for example - of course it wont be for Downloading but Light Useage such as Web Browsing, Playing Games etc - just comes down a lot quicker.

As for Upload, the Majoity I imagine of Home Users (What this product is aimed at) would not even know what an Upload Was and the way Cable Works means the upload will always be a lot less then download (has to do with Streaming TV to your STB not running a Web Server lol).

The idea of offering Faster Speeds 'inside' NTL is something I have asked before - I got this Idea from the Chinese I think as they for example have lets say 100mbit both ways Inside there network but once it leaves china, it might as well be 56K Dial Up. Not sure if the Kit we have can be used this way (Faster inside NTL) but it would be a nice addition - much like free calls to other NTL Users.

[jrhnewark]

I'm looking forward to my 2000/256kbps connection for £17.99 in the near future, y'know.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Mauldor

Most ADSL ISP have gone the 'upto' 8Mbit route with Varying Prices depending on Useage (as low as 1 Gig month) and Upload Speed. For NTL to bring in across the board 10mbit with diff Useage, they will need some way to monitor and act once you have gone over that Useage. You may ask why a person with say a 5 GIG month Cap for example would want 10mbit for example - of course it wont be for Downloading but Light Useage such as Web Browsing, Playing Games etc - just comes down a lot quicker.

As for Upload, the Majoity I imagine of Home Users (What this product is aimed at) would not even know what an Upload Was and the way Cable Works means the upload will always be a lot less then download (has to do with Streaming TV to your STB not running a Web Server lol).

The idea of offering Faster Speeds 'inside' NTL is something I have asked before - I got this Idea from the Chinese I think as they for example have lets say 100mbit both ways Inside there network but once it leaves china, it might as well be 56K Dial Up. Not sure if the Kit we have can be used this way (Faster inside NTL) but it would be a nice addition - much like free calls to other NTL Users.

I will forever disagree on this, 10meg or 1meg wont make the slightest bit of difference to gaming, web browsing wont be a 'lot' quicker. Light usage, high speeds dont go in tandem with each other, it is sort of like wondering whats going on with plusnet releasing a 8meg product that has a 50meg cap that could be used in 6 seconds.

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by jrhnewark

I'm looking forward to my 2000/256kbps connection for £17.99 in the near future, y'know.

You're getting ADSL?

[jrhnewark]

Originally Posted by James Henry

You're getting ADSL?

I would, but I'm too lazy to change. But that'll be the next move to bring the packages in-line with Telewest's... not a moment too soon, of course.

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by jrhnewark

I would, but I'm too lazy to change. But that'll be the next move to bring the packages in-line with Telewest's... not a moment too soon, of course.

They're going to drop the upload on the 10M service as well I presume.

Be a while before all of this happens so 'near future' might be optimistic

[Loop]

ok ok now can someone post the truth about broadbands speeds and cap and price has i was in grimsby and an ntl man sales said to me that the 1mb will be 10meg for the same price has i just got the tv added on and just found out the person who fitted by box told me the 1mb is going to be 3meg so what is what ???? and also my tv box i not got the channels i ask for i rang up and they tell me they have to come out has my signal are low to sort my channels out i only had it installed 27 april 2006 and rang them same day they comming out bank hoiulday monday cant they sort it at they end something about low signal from my box to them also they have put me on incomming calls only i cant ring out now so dont know why has my bill is up to date i have tryd an other phone incase was faulty but not the phone i am still been billed for this and not getting my talk unlimetd which i am paying for anyone shread some light on this please
ps i had to use the 0800 number to sort out my channels for them to come out but they dont know about phone has they said they ring me back which have not

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Loop

ok ok now can someone post the truth about broadbands speeds and cap and price has i was in grimsby and an ntl man sales said to me that the 1mb will be 10meg for the same price has i just got the tv added on and just found out the person who fitted by box told me the 1mb is going to be 3meg so what is what ???? and also my tv box i not got the channels i ask for i rang up and they tell me they have to come out has my signal are low to sort my channels out i only had it installed 27 april 2006 and rang them same day they comming out bank hoiulday monday cant they sort it at they end something about low signal from my box to them also they have put me on incomming calls only i cant ring out now so dont know why has my bill is up to date i have tryd an other phone incase was faulty but not the phone i am still been billed for this and not getting my talk unlimetd which i am paying for anyone shread some light on this please
ps i had to use the 0800 number to sort out my channels for them to come out but they dont know about phone has they said they ring me back which have not

Ok first off. What ?? Some full stops and commas would have been helpful there.

BB speeds from June are going to be 1MB, 4MB and 10MB all unlimited. Charges will be 1MB = £17.99, 4MB = £24.99 and 10MB £34.99.

NTL did announce plans last year to have everyone on upto 10MB with the price you pay being set by a cap. I do not now if this is still going ahead though.

[Chrysalis]

both are wrong 1 meg as it stands is staying at 1meg. Dont believe sales people.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by DarthYoda

NTL did announce plans last year to have everyone on upto 10MB with the price you pay being set by a cap. I do not now if this is still going ahead though.

Its coming....mark my words!!

[popper]

Originally Posted by Mauldor

You may ask why a person with say a 5 GIG month Cap for example would want 10mbit for example - of course it wont be for Downloading but Light Useage such as Web Browsing, Playing Games etc - just comes down a lot quicker.

that may be what you think would happen, but alas that can only be reasonably assured if the files and websites are on the internal NTL network, and if so would come down as fast as the cable modems settings allow, there are exeptions of course were the other end (seems the US is better connected to the UK than the current EU lines for instance) can supply at the higher rates.

its reasonable to assume that over time these links will themselves get faster so generally faster is good.

As for Upload, the Majoity I imagine of Home Users (What this product is aimed at) would not even know what an Upload Was

it may be true were the users do not want to do more than just use the network, however i think its unfair and indeed unwise to lump the majority with that label, anyone thats ever had lag in games for instance, knows something at the very least about upload rates or takes thw time to find out, after all thats what the web is great at, helping you find out new stuff every day.

and the way Cable Works means the upload will always be a lot less then download.

thats so wrong, at least generally labeling cable as less capable in the upload department.

its simple really, as everything else in the ISP thinking its a way to maximise profit at the cost to the end user, in this case limiting upload after the dialup days was less expensive
for the ISP's of old and it continues to this day, theres no real reason to continue it today, perhaps NTL will be the first major ISP to change this trend!.

(has to do with Streaming TV to your STB not running a Web Server lol).

with all due respect, thats just rubbish, the STB doesnt care that its got a limited upload or backchannel as its also known as long as its fast enough for what it does,
it could do so much more and then it would need more upload bandwidth.

the 'DOCSIS' and 'EuroDOCSIS' are essently the same thing and the thing that makes EuroDOCSIS better from our POV that the fact that the US version uses 6 MHz while the EU version uses 8 MHz wide, "The wider bandwidth in EuroDOCSIS architectures permits more bandwidth to be allocated to the downstream data path (taken from a user's point of view, "downstream" is used to download data, while "upstream" is used to upload data)."

essentally that means that we can get more data into the alloted space, what does stop us having equal or at least far better up/down ratio's is the artificial cap placed on every single CM and STB modem.

for instance the US "Cablevision, serving New Jersey, New York City, and Long Island, currently offers the fastest 'basic' cable internet service (Optimum Online) in the US with 15 Mbit/s Downstream and 2 Mbit/s upstream. A premium package offering 30 Mbit/s downstream and 2 Mbit/s upstream" also "symmetrical 50 Mbit/s downstream and 50 Mbit/s upstream (using a proprietary non-DOCSIS technology from Narad Networks) is currently in beta testing and is slated for release in 2006."

weather the 'DOCSIS' and 'EuroDOCSIS' version 2 or 3 can also produce these 'symmetrical' (same both ways) speeds i cant find suitable info as yet, but its clear that its not that the cable modems cant do it but more a case of getting and giving a far better ballance in favour of uploads ready for the likes of PS3 video upload streaming etc.

The idea of offering Faster Speeds 'inside' NTL is something I have asked before - I got this Idea from the Chinese I think as they for example have lets say 100mbit both ways Inside there network but once it leaves china, it might as well be 56K Dial Up. Not sure if the Kit we have can be used this way (Faster inside NTL) but it would be a nice addition - much like free calls to other NTL Users.

yes im sure thats what got most peoples attention initally, personally i was telling fisher (paul) the old C&W highest tech exec, the same thing years ago it was in everyones interest long term, to at least begin opening up the 'symmetrical' fields also with putting Multi-casting options as standard to encurage inovation (and saving masses of bandwidth on certain types of files/traffic) , then carls 'REBOL'
became public and even P2P combined with multicasting became an easyer option for the masses as well as the corps.

if that had happened back then, then now this so called VOD and related options NTL and others are putting in place to extend their profit intake ( not for your end-user benifit BTW)
would have been so much easyer and profitable by now, as it is, their talking up the TCP/IP V6 as the thing to put muticasting everywere, but we could have it internally for use by all NTL users and indeed any other UK based interconnected ISP if they wanted to open up new markets and inovation in the UK for instance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Transfer_rate

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[Chrysalis]

popper us cable isps have deployed docsis2 which is why they handling higher upload speeds. Here ntl havent spent the money so we still have docsis 1.1.

on the subject of web browsing speeds you could load a website over lan and you wouldnt even get 10meg, simply because its spending more time processing the data, you downloading dozens of tiny files rather then a sustained transfer.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

popper us cable isps have deployed docsis2 which is why they handling higher upload speeds. Here ntl havent spent the money so we still have docsis 1.1..

really, thats just bad, iv been away from NTL BB for a few years and came back in dec, i didnt realise that the blue NTL CM here wouldnt be DOCSIS2, but still, while it appears that DOCSIS1 isnt that impressive today its still well within our current expectations and wants for better upload ratio's, 1/10 th or even 1/5 th of the available max 1.1 spec isnt asking that much of the hardware if anything substantial.

"The introduction of DOCSIS™ 2.0, the latest specification from CableLabsÂÂÂà ‚®, allows upstream capacity per channel up to 3 times greater than in DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 (DOCSIS 1.x) systems, with rates of 30.72 Mbps per channel as compared to 10.24 Mbps in DOCSIS 1.1. What this means is that with DOCSIS 2.0, MSOs can more cost-effectively offer symmetric services such as peer-to-peer networking, videoconferencing, Internet Protocol (IP) telephony, mission critical remote applications, and online gaming to their residential as well as new business clients.
http://www.cabledigitalnews.com/whit...s/paper12.html "

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

on the subject of web browsing speeds you could load a website over lan and you wouldnt even get 10meg, simply because its spending more time processing the data, you downloading dozens of tiny files rather then a sustained transfer.

yea, i didnt make my point clear enough there, i was and am more concerned with larger streaming data in many forms than piddly html, my son, allan's HL2 hosted server game was swamping the 2m/256k before i told him to sack it earlyer for instance.

did anyone notice thereg story about our old friends C&W

"Bulldog doubles broadband speeds Sweet 16
Bulldog has cut the ribbon on a faster broadband service that provides speeds of up to 16 meg.

The local loop unbundling (LLU) operator - owned by Cable & Wireless (C&W) - says its decision to double the speed of its existing service makes use of ADSL2+ technology and provides upload speeds of 1 meg.

The ISP has two packages on offer - Anytime Plus which costs £15 a month and Unlimited Plus at £25 a month. A package aimed at small businesses will cost SMEs around £45 a month.

---------- Post added at 00:50 ---------- Previous post was yesterday at 23:25 ----------

and heres yet another application that will make even more demands on that upload speed, as i'v been saying over and over, theres far more coming to market to take that bandwidth than mear unicasting torrents and unicasting user P2P (its ok for for the ISP's to use multicasting and P2P to save their cashflow/bandwidth though), and i expect even more upload ratio/demand soon enough.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/04..._locationfree/
"Sony to bring net-based TV-to-PSP streaming to Europe
By Tony Smith28th April 2006 11:05 GMT
Sony will next month launch its LocationFree TV (LFTV) service in the UK and other key European territories, allowing PlayStation Portable users to receive television programmes transmitted from the home and out across the internet. Mac users are to get access to the service too.

LPTV support is included in the PSP firmware update - version 2.7 - Sony announced this week. The upgrade - due to be posted on the Sony Computer Entertainment Europe website on 25 May - also adds podcast and RSS support, and the ability to handle AAC and WMA music files.

LPTV will be launched in the UK, Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, where, from next month, consumers will be able to buy Sony's LF-PK1 unit, which streams TV, DVD and other content from AV devices out onto the web. Any LFTV-compatible device can receive the stream and control what's streamed and when."

not to mention they are using that H.264/AVC EU Standards thing again for DVB-H (handheld) i'd assume.

[sav112]

I just went back from 2MB to the 1MB as well because in truth it was no different for me as i only play the odd game and download very little. paying an extra £7 when i was trying to cut my DD down seemed the best thing to do, nearly got rid of the TV and phone.

But 4MB for the extra and that upload sounds a good offer. I host a FM06 clan game and you can have 12 players hitting the machine so i guess the added 4MB and that upload speed might help a lot more.

pity they could not do it 2-4-10MB but then again that would make sense.

good to see there is some movment as every other isp was moving on....

[Chrysalis]

well dont forget the cap is unlimited now so you would be talking unlimited 2meg for 17.99 if they upgraded it, that has the potential for serious abuse for very tiny revenue.