Should they be published in the UK?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by STOP

Everytime something comes up with Muslims on the news why do some people keep on saying itââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s just a minority. Check the news and the papers look whatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s happening around the world. It certainly doesnââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t look like a minority and those in London today should be arrested but we all know the police wont touch them because there Muslim

Im sure if you counted the number of protestors and divided that into the total muslim wordwide population, and then multiplied the answer by 100 it would be less than 50%. Id be suprised if its ver 10%. Sorry to bring it down to this level of intelligence but I had to come down to meet yours.

Originally Posted by STOP

Everytime something comes up with Muslims on the news why do some people keep on saying itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s just a minority.

I don't know, is it a minority or isn't it? How many Muslims in the UK, and how many are carrying banners? Do we count the ones that silently support the 'minority' as part of the minority or not? How can we tell the silent minority from the peaceful 'majority'?

Originally Posted by STOP

but we all know the police wont touch them because there Muslim

I got as far as thinking precisely that, but opted not to publish. I believe that is why no arrests have as yet been made. I think that is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Sorry to bring it down to this level of intelligence but I had to come down to meet yours.

Tut-tut.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I donot agree with the reactions being witnessed at all. Additionally with the Salman Rushdie episode burning the books and the British flag was not an action which was agreeable to the majority of the muslims in the UK. Unfortunately there will always be a minority of idiots that take matters to an extreme beyond comprehension (eg london bombings), but thats not representative of teh whole muslim faith. The sad think is that people actually belive or want to believe that it is, and people who know better promote the same view about Islam.

thankyou, your posts regarding this & previous issues are excellent counterpoint to the actions of the protestors we have seen. I entirely accept that this is the action of a minority & unrepresentative of most Muslims. I just wish they could see beyond the fervour & see the damage they are doing on behalf of their more rational brothers.

Originally Posted by STOP

Everytime something comes up with Muslims on the news why do some people keep on saying itââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s just a minority. Check the news and the papers look whatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s happening around the world. It certainly doesnââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t look like a minority and those in London today should be arrested but we all know the police wont touch them because there Muslim

Actually as muslims, they stand a far better chance of being stopped under Section 44 of the Terrorism act. Especially if they have beards.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Im sure if you counted the number of protestors and divided that into the total muslim wordwide population, and then multiplied the answer by 100 it would be less than 50%. Id be suprised if its ver 10%. Sorry to bring it down to this level of intelligence but I had to come down to meet yours.

intelligence wow well thats something not allot of those people seem to have is it. we all know Islamic papers have printed cartoons mocking the west, christians & other faiths but one paper over here prints a bloody cartoon and people start protesting and threatening to kill people ?

Europe has had its fair problems in the past over religion but we've grown its just a bloody shame now we seem to have to go through it all over again thanks to Islam

[danielf]

Could we please try and keep this debate civilised, like it has been for most of today?

Frankly if anyone had had an iota of common sense in the Danish press and other countries media they would have remembered the furore about Islamic writing being used on fashion items and would have realised just how protective Islam is about imagery.I've known for 30 odd years that I should NEVER ask a muslim child to draw a representational picture of animals or humans for art or any other subject.The only art I've ever been able to ask for is pattern work or calligraphy.A little bit of thought could have saved all this aggravation.Now Danish firms are going to lose out big time due to this.Lurpak have already fallen to this and there will be job losses over it.

The problem is that the press have got rather too big for their own good and think that they can do and say just what they like in the name of freedom because ordinary people can have no comeback unless they have plenty of money to take a newspaper to court for libellous statements or articles.They think just because they can make or break a government that they do not have to consider certain basic moral and ethical rules.

[Pierre]

We CCTV and we have photos of these "protestors"

Unfortunately they have gone beyond the boundary of free speech and some of their placards and banners are inciting racial and religious hatred.

I would expect the police to exercise the powers that have just been granted to arrest and charge these people.

Will they? of course not.

Because like it or not that law was only brought in to arrest those that spoke out against and opposed Islam - not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I would expect the police to exercise the powers that have just been granted to arrest and charge these people.

They can't do anything under the new bill because (I think) it has not had Royal assent yet, so is not yet law.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Because like it or not that law was only brought in to arrest those that spoke out against and opposed Islam - not the other way around.

Part of the reason for the new bill was to afford Islam the same protection already enjoyed by other religions.

Clearly they want more than that.

Of course, under this new legislation the cartoons would probably still be legal, but the banners would not.

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

I've known for 30 odd years that I should NEVER ask a muslim child to draw a representational picture of animals or humans for art or any other subject.

Makes one wonder how a Muslim becomes a doctor...

I find the attitude towards images, which appears to be more Hadith than Koran, rather bizarre. And a shame that it means that artful expression is stifled.

I cannot help but believe that a religion that is so prescriptive and restrictive is more of a burden to people than any kind of help. It clearly confuses their ideas of right & wrong, otherwise we wouldn't be watching the scenes of violent protest.

Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Part of the reason for the new bill was to afford Islam the same protection already enjoyed by other religions.

They already have it police wont touch them and no one seems surprised (wonder why) even before this Muslims have protested about other things and been seen burning the Union Jack in public.

On another point I found all the anti EU banners interesting. If they hate the west and the Eu so much they the hell are they here

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Because like it or not that law was only brought in to arrest those that spoke out against and opposed Islam - not the other way around.

Is that why Hooky Hamza is in court right now?

[Hom3r]

Watching abit about this at 1am this morning on news 24, one of the blokes said that some muslims (NOT all some) have been shouting how discusting this is to pulblish the cartoons, and yet, the same people are saying that Isreal and Jews should be wiped of the map.

In there opinion double standard

Is a little respect for other peoples religion really that much to ask? Maybe if we are so worried about muslims forming there own communities and excluding others we should stop being hostile to them and treating them with such little respect.

We are going to force muslims to be outsiders if we are not careful

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Is that why Hooky Hamza is in court right now?

How many years did it take the police to take action ? These protesters are openly showing there evil thoughts on these banners if it was anyone else they'd be arrested

Originally Posted by Damien

We are going to force muslims to be outsiders if we are not careful

Some might argue that they already are, to an extent.

If Islam is so much at odds with Western European attitudes and laws, then aren't they 'outsiders' by default?

And this situation will remain until either Muslims adapt Islam to fit their countries of residence, or these countries choose to abandon their hard won rights, freedoms and laws in favour of Islamic restrictions. Somehow, I don't see the latter happening in a hurry.