The gender ideology thread

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

Men, as a class, are stronger and more prone to violence than women, as a class. Men, as a class, pose a risk to women. It is for the dignity and the safety of, and fairness towards, women that we provide segregated spaces for them: toilets, trauma care, prisons, sports. As someone who says they are trans and claims to be a woman is actually still a man, all the above applies.

All trans-identifying males are a risk to women on the same basis as all non-trans-identifying males, except with the aggravating factor that non-trans-identifying males are not routinely arguing for the default right to access female safe spaces.

And your friend is not a woman of any kind, nor is it correct to refer to them in the third person as “she”. He is a man, regardless of how he sees himself and regardless of what he has told you. He was born male, he is male, he will die male. He is male, therefore he is a man, and he cannot be an woman, because a woman is an adult human female. And if he is liable to punch people’s teeth out for saying so - well that’s very male behaviour isn’t it.

I have, and will continue to, to discuss these issues, face to face, politely but insistently, with trans identifying individuals of my acquaintance, of which there are several.

Perhaps reread what I wrote, I said some not all in reference to the way people are speaking on the issue. Those who can speak to the issues with eloquence and politeness whilst expressing their views such as yourself would be fine……

[jfman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

Perhaps indicative of why he should change with the men and not the women.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Is it though ? The implication as I read it is that ‘all pretend females with a penis’ represent a threat to all ‘natural women’

If my understanding is correct that can only mean one of two things

‘All trans women represent a threat to women’
‘All men represent a threat to women’

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

Threatened as in the emotion not the action. You can feel threatened without someone actually threatening you. It can simple be a feeling of unsafe and tbh I do not blame them. Feeling threatened emotionally is entirely different to threatening someone

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

Perhaps indicative of why he should change with the men and not the women.

Not really.Come to boro and you would find in most cases that the women are quicker to get physical and much much more aggressive…..

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Threatened as in the emotion not the action. You can feel threatened without someone actually threatening you. It can simple be a feeling of unsafe and tbh I do not blame them. Feeling threatened emotionally is entirely different to threatening someone

I’m reminded of this for some reason

https://youtu.be/zopCDSK69gs?si=uJS1Uau6J2_HctKu

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Is it though ? The implication as I read it is that ‘all pretend females with a penis’ represent a threat to all ‘natural women’

If my understanding is correct that can only mean one of two things

‘All trans women represent a threat to women’
‘All men represent a threat to women’

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

And yet your trans friend is considered a man with no accommodation. More over they have a "psychological disorder" and so represent a danger to "real" women. These are the times we live in where empathy and tolerance are diminished.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

And yet your trans friend is considered a man with no accommodation. More over they have a "psychological disorder" and so represent a danger to "real" women. These are the times we live in where empathy and tolerance are diminished.

I don’t know why only getting into women’s toilets and changing rooms are considered tolerant or empathetic.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That's stretching it beyond safe bounds.

I accept that the conversation, by not acknowledging genuine trans cases (Male-->Female), seems to deprecate said genuine cases. But we are not that harsh nor unreasonable. The real issue here is about men with appendages that are either perverts or make women uncomfortable when the biological man undresses.

There is surgery available for genuine M-F cases.

This, the latter case, is the one I am focusing on. It is this case where men/women have gone through many rounds of psychological, chemical and surgical procedures to attain the form they feel is their national one, only to be told they will never be accepted and, moreover, will be regarded as an mentally ill freak.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’m reminded of this for some reason

https://youtu.be/zopCDSK69gs?si=uJS1Uau6J2_HctKu

Fear of something that is not happening is one thing fear of something that is happening and some real women with vaginas are faced with women with penises in what should be the same place. Your argument flawed and pointless

Incidentally I would go in the room and I would defend myself against a biological male and am more than capable of doing so so what is your point?? That could be taken as a threat btw I feel harassed alarmed and distressed at the very though of you woman with a penis assaulting me #( not really do not care I am not a snowflake )

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

‘All men represent a threat to women’

In case you weren’t aware ……it’s that one. I would insert the word “potentially” though.

And Trans-women, I reject the term but will use it, are men

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

Point proven.

So your lovely “women” is capable of breaking a few jaws is she? Has a temper? Thanks for making it clear to everyone.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Not really.Come to boro and you would find in most cases that the women are quicker to get physical and much much more aggressive…..

Yes, I have a Yorkshire terrier that is very aggressive and ready to fight. A pit bull would end him in one second…..

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Originally Posted by ianch99

And yet your trans friend is considered a man with no accommodation.

Because he is. He can dress up and go about his business, no problem.

More over they have a "psychological disorder"

Yes they do, are you suggesting they don’t?

and so represent a danger to "real" women.

“Some” potentially do.

I’m intrigued as to why you have “real” in inverted commas? But at least it means you acknowledge that they are not women.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

will be regarded as a mentally ill freak.

Well, that’s your term, nobody else’s.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well, that’s your term, nobody else’s.

Indeed, and it’s a bit disappointing that in choosing to misrepresent the views of those he disagrees with, he should do so by raising distasteful tropes that nobody in this discussion has used.

Mentally ill people are not freaks. They deserve compassion and effective treatment, not ridicule and certainly not ideologically driven, poorly evidenced, faddish surgery.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

Mentally ill people are not freaks. They deserve compassion and effective treatment, not ridicule and certainly not ideologically driven, poorly evidenced, faddish surgery.

Amen.

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Woman refuses to compete against a man, in a women only category…………….woman is penalised.


The very definition of misogyny.

https://www.reuters.com/sports/usa-f...nt-2025-04-03/

[jfman]

Much like the changing rooms if it’s just about wanting to live their lives in peace in the gender they perceive themselves to be why do they want to compete in sports where they know having undergone male puberty is an advantage?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by jfman

Much like the changing rooms if it’s just about wanting to live their lives in peace in the gender they perceive themselves to be why do they want to compete in sports where they know having undergone male puberty is an advantage?

Why is them living their lives in peace more important than the peace of those who feel uncomfortable with a penis in a woman's rest room?

As for Sports imo it is cheating and as someone who was in his younger days a competitive kickboxer and I believe I was a good sport would only want to compete on a level playing field

I had to fight a guy in around 1995 who simple was not a good match for me. He was unskilled and no where near as fit he should never have been put against me. I walked away the winner but it was a hollow victory. Same as any trans woman winning against biological woman. Empty meaningless victory they achieved nothing. Now a trans woman beating a biological male that would be a different story

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Indeed, and it’s a bit disappointing that in choosing to misrepresent the views of those he disagrees with, he should do so by raising distasteful tropes that nobody in this discussion has used.

Mentally ill people are not freaks. They deserve compassion and effective treatment, not ridicule and certainly not ideologically driven, poorly evidenced, faddish surgery.

Is this you?

Today, surgically altering someone who has a psychological disorder that tells them they are in the ‘wrong body’ does not cure anything because surgery cannot, fundamentally, give them the ‘right body’.

Trans people are mentally ill it seems. I suspect that they may disagree with you.

What is ideologically driven is the anti-Trans backlash, especially in the US where the sponsorship of Trump by the Evangelical right underwrites a lot of the recent policy changes.