Election 2019 - Week 4 - Page 7

Sephiroth · 01-12-2019, 21:38

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Originally Posted by jfman

No, and moderator instructions are in bold.

However if people continue to lie there's a high chance the discussion will continue needlessly, and go around circular points. Are you advocating forum members misleading the forum?

An astonishing stance to take, frankly.

You are rather liberal with your accusation that people are liars.
You may not agree with their interpretation but that doesn't meean they are lying. Again, you disappoint me.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I don't care for his caveats or other add-ons. Boris chose to push for an election - indeed despite the Withdrawal Agreement Bill passing second reading.

It was a choice of this Government, and this alone, to push for an election. It introduced, and voted for, the legislation to facilitate it.

Er - Parliament as a whole voted for the general election by 438/20.

jfman · 01-12-2019, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You are rather liberal with your accusation that people are liars.
You may not agree with their interpretation but that doesn't meean they are lying. Again, you disappoint me.

It's a tangible fact that the Government abandoned it's "bold legislative agenda" as outlined in the Queen's Speech.

Parliament didn't block the Speech itself or any hypothetical legislation on crime.

Each issue, I'm sure, would have been considered on merit by our esteemed Parliamentarians.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Er - Parliament as a whole voted for the general election by 438/20.[/COLOR]

Parliament as a whole did indeed vote on it, although had the Government whipped against it would have lost. The Government introduced and voted for legislation to abandon its agenda.

None of this adds up to Parliament doing anything with legislation on crime against the will of the Government. Or "blocking".

Sephiroth · 01-12-2019, 21:43

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Originally Posted by jfman

It's a tangible fact that the Government abandoned it's "bold legislative agenda" as outlined in the Queen's Speech.

Parliament didn't block the Speech itself or any hypothetical legislation on crime.

Each issue, I'm sure, would have been considered on merit by our esteemed Parliamentarians.

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Parliament as a whole did indeed vote on it, although had the Government whipped against it would have lost. The Government introduced and voted for legislation to abandon its agenda.

None of this adds up to Parliament doing anything with legislation on crime against the will of the Government. Or "blocking".

You're wriggling. Poor show.

jfman · 01-12-2019, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You're wriggling. Poor show.

I'm not wriggling. I've maintained the Government introduced and voted for legislation to facilitate the early election as an alternative to pursuing its own agenda. At no point had Parliament the opportunity to vote against, or block, a crime bill. This is absolute fact.

Even nomadking conceded that I hadn't made any other points on this matter.

nomadking · 01-12-2019, 22:42

When did Boris say that Parliament voted against the Queen's speech? He used the term "blocked", which is correct.

jfman · 01-12-2019, 22:47

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Originally Posted by nomadking

When did Boris say that Parliament voted against the Queen's speech? He used the term "blocked", which is correct.

It’s not. He made the choice to bring down his own Government rather than pursue the legislative agenda announced just two weeks earlier.

Had he lost a vote of no confidence I’d maybe, maybe, agree. However I cannot looking objectively at the facts in front of me.

**Maggy** · 01-12-2019, 23:33

Well having read this entire thread I'm no wiser.

Carth · 02-12-2019, 01:45

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Originally Posted by Maggy

Well having read this entire thread I'm no wiser.

Me neither . . . I do feel 200 years older though

**Mick** · 02-12-2019, 10:38

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Originally Posted by jfman

No, and moderator instructions are in bold.

However if people continue to lie there's a high chance the discussion will continue needlessly, and go around circular points. Are you advocating forum members misleading the forum?

An astonishing stance to take, frankly.

No they are not always. It is not forum policy to bold them, team members bold instructions, to ensure instructions are seen. But instructions don’t have to be in bold.

I saw your post, you have zero authority to tell anyone on here what they should post.

jfman · 02-12-2019, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Mick

No they are not always. It is not forum policy to bold them, team members bold instructions, to ensure instructions are seen. But instructions don’t have to be in bold.

I saw your post, you have zero authority to tell anyone on here what they should post.

I didn’t claim such authority, just pointed out the futility of making statements that are demonstrably false. Next time I’ll prefix wit “please” or “could you” if that makes it clear for everyone.

**Mick** · 02-12-2019, 12:14

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Originally Posted by jfman

I didn’t claim such authority, just pointed out the futility of making statements that are demonstrably false.* Next time I’ll prefix wit “please” or “could you” if that makes it clear for everyone.

There will not be a next time. You will do no such thing or make any requests to any members regardless.

* They are your opinions that YOU believe to be true, just because you say they are does not make it so. Sure, challenge people on what they say, but demand their silence because you don't agree with their point of view, that is a no no.

jfman · 02-12-2019, 12:20

So we get circular arguments. Lies. Truth. Lies. Truth. Round and round we go. Does anyone believe that’s genuinely helpful? Nomadking himself conceded that he was arguing with a point I wasn’t actually making.

I think if we’re all being honest here if I was in the other side of the Brexit debate or a Tory systematically dissecting the remain/Labour arguments nobody would bat an eye. However clearly some in the thread have taken to playing the man and not the ball.

**Mick** · 02-12-2019, 12:24

This is not open to debate, do as you are instructed.

jfman · 02-12-2019, 18:18

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/i...st-jc-1.493698

One has to wonder who is feeding the Jewish Chronicle such false information, and why?

Mr K · 02-12-2019, 20:34

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9223846.html

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Google has banned eight different adverts paid for by the Conservatives over the last month because they broke its rules, The Independent can reveal.

The move by the search giant comes amid mounting concerns about the Tories’ use of disinformation and fake news as campaigning tools at the general election.

What a low life party. All sponsored by Putin no doubt.