Soldier murdered in terrorist incident in Woolwich

Originally Posted by Sirius

Even for those who have been court red handed with video evidence and loads of witnesses, maybe just like this one?. Anyway the cost of a bullet to the middle frontal area of there head is not that expensive.

What if they're mentally ill? What if later one of them claims that he was coerced (by whatever method) into taking part? Even cases that seem cut and dried aren't always and they're rare.

Besides in this specific incidence it would be stupid to kill them because that's what they want. Putting them in prison for life and treating them as common murders, nothing special, would be far greater punishment to them. We don't want to encourage further martyrs either. We will let any others know they won't be treated as a special case, no special status, just murderers like all the other murderers.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Damien

Putting them in prison for life and treating them as common murders, nothing special, would be far greater punishment to them.

Prison for murderers who pre-meditated their crime, should be a simple cell with a bed and nothing else. Prisons are still too cushty these days.

Personally I believe in an eye for an eye when it comes to the majority or murderers.

[nomadking]

Amazing seeing the footage of 2 women calmly walking past one of the killers and then other 2 women/girls talking to him near the car and the dead man.

Do programmes like CSI get it wrong or did there seem to be a lack of blood spray on a killer. Was the man dead from the impact of the car before they attacked him further?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Damien

What if they're mentally ill? What if later one of them claims that he was coerced (by whatever method) into taking part? Even cases that seem cut and dried aren't always and they're rare.

Besides in this specific incidence it would be stupid to kill them because that's what they want. Putting them in prison for life and treating them as common murders, nothing special, would be far greater punishment to them. We don't want to encourage further martyrs either. We will let any others know they won't be treated as a special case, no special status, just murderers like all the other murderers.

However i am willing to bet that they DO NOT get life meaning life. We are to soft because i seem to remember that we have been told we cannot give full life meaning life sentences without parole. They WILL walk on our streets again at some point. Just hope that when they do it is not one of your family they decide they will kill with a big knife.

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Prison for murderers who pre-meditated their crime, should be a simple cell with a bed and nothing else. Prisons are still too cushty these days.

Personally I believe in an eye for an eye when it comes to the majority or murderers.

I once posted on here that if we cannot string them by there necks then we should put them in a cell and never let them mix with other prisoners, never ever let them out and only feed them what they need to stay alive. I was told by those that fight the corner against the death sentence on this forum that we cannot do tha, there reason was its against there human rights and would be classed as a form of torture. So in other words we must treat them better than the way they treated there victims

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

But how many of those acquittals are where they've actually established somebody else did it, rather than retrospectively saying there wasn't enough proof or their lawyer didn't do a good enough job and other excuses like that.

quite a few of them if imagine, certainly since dna became available and when you say the lawyer didn't do a good job do you mean they were drunk or slept through the trial

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...Nationwide.php

http://www.fdp.dk/act/texas-sleeping.php

Originally Posted by Sirius

However i am willing to bet that they DO NOT get life meaning life. We are to soft because i seem to remember that we have been told we cannot give full life meaning life sentences without parole. They WILL walk on our streets again at some point. Just hope that when they do it is not one of your family they decide they will kill with a big knife.

No. You can get life imprisonment. A life sentence will come with a minimum term before you're considered for parole but the parole board isn't mandated to grant it. There are also several prisoners currently serving whole life terms in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e-life_tariffs

We can keep someone in prison until they die. Three people were imprisoned under such terms last year.

I once posted on here that if we cannot string them by there necks then we should put them in a cell and never let them mix with other prisoners, never ever let them out and only feed them what they need to stay alive. I was told we cannot do that as its against there human rights and would be classed as a form of torture

I would think you would want them to be mixed with other prisoners. Incidentally long periods of isolation is torture. A whole life of it would be pretty sadistic.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

I would think you would want them to be mixed with other prisoners. Incidentally long periods of isolation is torture. A whole life of it would be pretty sadistic.

And killing somebody and trying to cut their head off, isn't? You would have to keep them in solitary to protect prison staff and prisoners.

Originally Posted by nomadking

And killing somebody and trying to cut their head off, isn't? You would have to keep them in solitary to protect prison staff and prisoners.

It is but I don't tend to measure my own standards against murders.

[Jimmy-J]

Hearing on LBC that it's kicking off in Woolwich.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Hearing on LBC that it's kicking off in Woolwich.

Would not surprise me if its the locals getting annoyed because the police shot the nutters. Followed by looting of high cost electrical stores

[thenry]

EDL outraged at attack on British Troop.

*few hours later*

EDL attack British Police.

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Mum talked down Woolwich terrorists who told her: 'We want to start a war in London tonight'

Exclusive: A cub scout leader confronted terrorists just seconds after they had beheaded a soldier asking them to hand over their weapons and warning them: "It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-tonight.html

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some people might want to re-read the posts here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ors-fight.html

[spreadsheet]

head shot - like the Israeilis do with the suicide bombers (odious regime that they are) - its violence begets violence

I'll put my money on that black mouthy bloke being into the thoughts of marcus garvey etc - as your afro carribean is more susceptible to mental illness statistaclly


paranoid nutter - history of substance abuse - no proper family structure


its text book stuff

[nomadking]

The violence begets violence idea only really holds up, if regardless of which side gives up violence the other will always continue. Israel has no desire to be aggressive. If people would stop attacking them, they would be happy with that and be completely peaceful. It is a case of self-defence and saying we're not letting you get away with attacking us. If Israel didn't retaliate, the attacks against them would continue and might intensify to provoke a response.

[SMG]

Well, London has its Islamic Idiot brigade out on the streets "Policing" & promoting their Islamic beliefs, then an Islamic religious murderer hacks another man to death in broad daylight, in the middle of the street, somethings got to give. I am not a racist, but I am totally against these Radicals, & I must admit my patience is wearing very thin, I know many many others feel the same way.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist or radical, but it appears every radical terrorist is Muslim. The Muslim community needs to act, & ask itself if it needs or wants this faction in its ranks, if not, do something about it. Home bred terrorism is treason, I`m afraid had I been one of the policemen, I would have killed these animals & probably been prosecuted, probably why I would never have made a good policeman. I know as a Soldier, I would have killed them.

This young lad could have been one of our sons, brothers, grand sons, & my heart goes out to his family. R.I.P. lad.

[truthspeaker]

"A believer continues to guard his Faith (and thus hopes for Allah's Mercy) so long as he does not shed blood unjustly".

Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "I warn you of extremism in the Religion for indeed those that came before you were destroyed due to their extremism in the religion."

Allah is not kind to him who is not kind to people

Those who are kind and considerate to Allah's creatures, Allah bestows His kindness and affection on them. Show kindness to the creatures on the earth so that Allah may be kind to you

"If anyone slew an innocent person it would be as if he slew the whole mankind and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind"
[Al-Qur’an 5:32]

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not do aggression, for Allah loves not the aggressors. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship (Makkah) until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers." (Al-Baqarah 190-194)

What happened in Woolwich today is completely and utterly disgusting and someone who claims to be a Muslim wouldn't dream about carrying out such act. Islam means peace and life is sacred in Islam, these cowards are nothing but a stain on society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrq_0qWGLJQ