General : Underhand devious Sky

Originally Posted by martyh

which is their problem not sky's .If sky have the financial clout and business acumen to succeed where others have failed then good luck to them .

You seem to have failed entirely to grasp the fact that sky have got to this position because of unfair advantages afforded to them by successive governments not obeying the rules.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by martyh

.If sky have the financial clout and business acumen .

The Panorama documentary on ITV Digital, if true, could suggest other reasons?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You seem to have failed entirely to grasp the fact that sky have got to this position because of unfair advantages afforded to them by successive governments not obeying the rules.

Unfair advantage, like having guaranteed funds raised from everyone with a tv who are forced to pay as a matter of law whether they use the product or not ....like the BBC ?.

I'm not going to pretend that Murdoch is a little angel ,but at the end of the day he asked for stuff and the government gave it to him ,he was merely taking advantage of stupid governments and stupid rules ,any good business man will do the same

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You seem to have failed entirely to grasp the fact that sky have got to this position because of unfair advantages afforded to them by successive governments not obeying the rules.

So in your opinion what should be done to remedy this situation ?

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I think it's a case of whom has more money and more clout.Sky has more of both because it was handed to them by past governments who were terrified of Murdoch.The BBC may have our licence money but it's a drop in the ocean compared to Skys resources.Indeed the BBC has had it's funding reduced at the behest of Murdoch complaining about it so bitterly to the government.

So you believe the TV tax should rise ?

Originally Posted by muppetman11

So in your opinion what should be done to remedy this situation ?

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So you believe the TV tax should rise ?

Well the government should stop cosying up to the Murdochs and their empire and let Ofcom actually do the job they were supposed to be doing before successive governments interfered to change matters.I also feel that NI should be made to shed some of it's various media outlets to reduce it's monopoly and level the playing field for the other DTV providers.

And yes the licence should rise in line with inflation.Of course the BBC must make sure they extract every last penny of value from what they do receive before a rise is awarded.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by martyh

Unfair advantage, like having guaranteed funds raised from everyone with a tv who are forced to pay as a matter of law whether they use the product or not ....like the BBC ?

Just a couple of facts for people to think about.

Last I heard, Sky's turnover (I think that was the correct term) exceeded that of the BBC by around £1.1bn and their marketing budget was much larger than the entire programming budget of ITV (or something like that. This is "old" news )

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

So you believe the TV tax should rise ?

I certainly don't think it should have been so severely cut.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well the government should stop cosying up to the Murdochs and their empire and let Ofcom actually do the job they were supposed to be doing before successive governments interfered to change matters.I also feel that NI should be made to shed some of it's various media outlets to reduce it's monopoly and level the playing field for the other DTV providers.

And yes the licence should rise in line with inflation.Of course the BBC must make sure they extract every last penny of value from what they do receive before a rise is awarded.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

I certainly don't think it should have been so severely cut.

I agree with both of these. A fairly small proportion of my overall viewing comes from the BBC, but I still think that we need a broadcaster with high production values that produces a wide range of programmes, not just the ones that attract popularist viewing.

The BBC leads the way in online services such as iPlayer, and that requires funding. I say that even though I rarely use catch up services.

[andy_m]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I agree with both of these. A fairly small proportion of my overall viewing comes from the BBC, but I still think that we need a broadcaster with high production values that produces a wide range of programmes, not just the ones that attract popularist viewing.

The BBC leads the way in online services such as iPlayer, and that requires funding. I say that even though I rarely use catch up services.

I agree, but would point out that the tax has been frozen, rather than cut, and that will still result in a BBC offering 6 channels and hd variants, numerous radio stations and cutting edge online services. It's really hard to argue that at a time when households are having to make tough decisions an organisation which once paid Jonathon Ross £18m shouldn't shoulder some of the burden.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by andy_m

I agree, but would point out that the tax has been frozen, rather than cut...

I knew someone would mention this. However, when you add in everything extra that they have now been given to do with the same money (like funding the World Service) then it does amount to a real-world cut of something like 16-20%

It's really hard to argue that at a time when households are having to make tough decisions an organisation which once paid Jonathon Ross £18m shouldn't shoulder some of the burden.

No they did not You shouldn't believe everything you read in certain newspapers with proven anti-BBC agendas (which then gets repeated as fact in other papers.)

IIRC (and it was some years ago now ) that £18m was, in fact, the amount paid to his production company over three (or so) years for everything they produced for the BBC; which was more than just the one BBC1 chat show.

I don't agree with the principle of the idea (ie the BBC making smarter, better use of the money it gets) but the situation is not helped when completely incorrect information, such as the above, is quoted as truth.

[carlwaring]

According to Digital Spy, Season 2 of "Nikita" will be shown on..... Sky Atlantic.

Now, tell me again how Sky aren't moving all their best shows to Atlantic so no other TV provider can show them

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

According to Digital Spy, Season 2 of "Nikita" will be shown on..... Sky Atlantic.

Now, tell me again how Sky aren't moving all their best shows to Atlantic so no other TV provider can show them

It says Sky Living in June on here , not sure if it's correct. I know S1 was shown on Sky Living.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...s-the-plp.html

[Telly_]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

It says Sky Living in June on here , not sure if it's correct. I know S1 was shown on Sky Living.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...s-the-plp.html

I have Carlwaring on ignore as do lots of users, When you quote him we have to read his crazy nonsense...Think before you quote....

[Chad]

If Scotland votes for independence it has already been suggested that the BBC might not have a future in Scotland.

Whilst I'm not a big fan of paying a TV license the thought of losing BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three, BBC Four, BBC News, BBC HD all BBC Radio and BBC iPlayer doesn't sit well with me at all.

For me personally about 40% of all programmes I digest on TV, radio, online and via catch up are from the BBC. I also visit the BBC news website more times than any other site on the net each day. Call me old fashioned but I enjoy TV and radio more when it's commercial free.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

It says Sky Living in June on here , not sure if it's correct. I know S1 was shown on Sky Living.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...s-the-plp.html

Okay. Well. Other reports state Atlantic. Like this one. (I didn't read the actual spoilers )

The finale airs in the US tonight at 8/7c and Nikita's second season will premiere in the UK in June on Sky Atlantic.

We'll see I suppose.

Originally Posted by Telly Bear

I have Carlwaring on ignore as do lots of users..

No, not lots at all. And anyway, it's only those who can't stand that someone disagrees with them.

When you quote him we have to read his crazy nonsense...Think before you quote....

Wow! What a stupid comment. There was clearly nothing "crazy" about my post.