France expels its gypsies - Page 7

Osem · 15-09-2010, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

My mind keeps wandering back to previous threads about Travellers.I wonder why?

Is it an 'age' thing?...

papa smurf · 15-09-2010, 16:09

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

You are confusing me.

Can you tell me, in your opinion, what the Roma have to do to stay in France?

get a puncture

PeteLockwood · 15-09-2010, 16:39

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

You are confusing me.

Can you tell me, in your opinion, what the Roma have to do to stay in France?

act french ?

pay there way ?

only move over there knowing they can support there family ?

perhaps even be sponsored by an employer ?

integrate into society and stop trying to make there own all these "camps" and what not

Osem · 16-09-2010, 21:53

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11332189

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French President Nicolas Sarkozy has described comments by an EU commissioner about Roma deportations from France as "outrageous".

EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding appeared to compare France's actions to persecutions in Nazi-occupied France.

"The disgusting and shameful words that were used - World War II, the evocation of the Jews - was something that shocked us deeply," Mr Sarkozy said

budwieser · 16-09-2010, 22:00

Surely if a country doesn`t want immigrants in their country, they have the right to kick them out. Don`t they?
Or at least vet them first to see what they can be benefical to the country.

frogstamper · 17-09-2010, 03:31

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Originally Posted by budwieser

Surely if a country doesn`t want immigrants in their country, they have the right to kick them out. Don`t they?
Or at least vet them first to see what they can be benefical to the country.

If that immigrant comes from outside the EU then you are right, but countries inside the EU have no control over who comes into and works within their borders from other EU members, the only caveat to this are people with severe criminal records eg rapists, murderers.
The argument the French government put forward for getting rid of the Roma is that other EU countries should not be able to unload their social problems on other members.
Regarding the Roma the sights we have seen from France with them being removed maybe unpleasant indeed, and sadly the Roma do make themselves a very easy target the way they choose to live, but in all honesty I cannot see any EU country in a rush to welcome them, it seems to me its up to the Bulgarian and Romanian governments to step up to the plate concerning their citizens not just turn a blind eye a give a sigh of relief as they leave the country to set-up camps over western Europe.

**Maggy** · 17-09-2010, 07:26

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Originally Posted by Osem

Is it an 'age' thing?...

No it's just the attitude to nomadic people.It happens anywhere where you have those that stay and adhere to a fixed social order and those that wander between borders and have no fixed social order.One cannot get on with the other and conflicts arise.

Taf · 17-09-2010, 09:42

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Originally Posted by budwieser

Surely if a country doesn`t want immigrants in their country, they have the right to kick them out. Don`t they?
Or at least vet them first to see what they can be benefical to the country.

France didn't put controls on the movement of some EU nationals when they had the chance perhaps?

We did.... Romanians have restrictions on work permits I believe?

The trouble is that many Roma have taken nationalities of other EU countries that are not restricted (eg Czech Republicans).

PeteLockwood · 17-09-2010, 10:07

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Originally Posted by budwieser

Surely if a country doesn`t want immigrants in their country, they have the right to kick them out. Don`t they?
Or at least vet them first to see what they can be benefical to the country.

in an ideal world you would think a country would dictate what happens within it's own country (not dictate you know like final say)

TheDaddy · 17-09-2010, 10:33

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Originally Posted by PeteL

in an ideal world you would think a country would dictate what happens within it's own country (not dictate you know like final say)

Where do you draw the line, I wouldn't want to live in this ideal world where things like ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia and apartheid in South Africa were allowed to continue unchallanged because it's happening 'in their own countries'.

**Hugh** · 17-09-2010, 10:37

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Where do you draw the line, I wouldn't want to live in this ideal world where things like ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia and apartheid in South Africa were allowed to continue unchallanged because it's happening 'in their own countries'.

PeteLockwood · 17-09-2010, 10:42

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Where do you draw the line, I wouldn't want to live in this ideal world where things like ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia and apartheid in South Africa were allowed to continue unchallanged because it's happening 'in their own countries'.

fair enough, but are you saying a country does not have the right to stand up for itself as it sees fit ?

TheDaddy · 17-09-2010, 10:52

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Originally Posted by PeteL

fair enough, but are you saying a country does not have the right to stand up for itself as it sees fit ?

I am not saying that.

PeteLockwood · 17-09-2010, 11:00

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I am not saying that.

you are saying it is not right for a country to impose sanctions against foreign people that it does not want there ?

danielf · 17-09-2010, 11:03

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Originally Posted by PeteL

fair enough, but are you saying a country does not have the right to stand up for itself as it sees fit ?

"As it sees fit" seems a bit broad to me, and I'd guess that the UN Security Council would disagree with the above statement.