The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4

Originally Posted by slowcoach

This is the best reason I have heard for voting Tory LINK

This could cause quite a quandary for all the die-hard Tory voters seeing as the vote is, in essence, like getting the Black Spot, according to the BOE.

Nice.....

So one party gets the country into deep poo, another has to fix the problems, and the first party gets back in because uncomfortable decisions had to be made (and then the first party starts the cycle again.....).

Might be nice if people thought of the country and others, not just themselves or their particular political viewpoint.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Nice.....

So one party gets the country into deep poo, another has to fix the problems, and the first party gets back in because uncomfortable decisions had to be made (and then the first party starts the cycle again.....).

That's how it was in the previous cycle wasn't it? Labour trashing the economy, Tories fixing it with some uncomfortable decisions, people losing patience with Tory fiscal restraint and voting for Labour's promises of better public services, Labour abandoning fiscal restraint and again trashing the economy?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Might be nice if people thought of the country and others, not just themselves or their particular political viewpoint.

Dream on

Along with our economy another casualty of Labour's reign has been, in my opinion, individual responsibility. Social engineering, overly generous welfare, increasing taxation on those who are working disincentivising being productive and a 'nanny state' have bred an indifference to one's place in society in many, besides a sense of entitlement from society which Labour are offering to continue to feed.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Nice.....

So one party gets the country into deep poo, another has to fix the problems, and the first party gets back in because uncomfortable decisions had to be made (and then the first party starts the cycle again.....).

Might be nice if people thought of the country and others, not just themselves or their particular political viewpoint.

Yep, well some people evidently still can't see beyond their rose tinted spectacles into the financial abyss which faces us. I notice their brief foray into actually offering us reasons FOR voting New Labour seems to have been quietly abdanoned...... rather like so many of New Labour's plans, programmes and promises over the last 13 years. Odd that eh??...

Oooops - another cock-up, where an MP tweets postal voting numbers (which is against Electoral Law)


Mod Edit (Matt D) - Quote removed as requested due to doubts over legality of posting the information.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by slowcoach

This could cause quite a quandary for all the die-hard Tory voters seeing as the vote is, in essence, like getting the Black Spot, according to the BOE.

It's a no-win situation really. As he mentioned actually fixing the economy means not wiping people's laurel cushioned arses and forcing them to actually do things themselves instead of relying on the public sector to look after them.

In the case of areas heavily dependent on public sector employment it means a painful, but extremely necessary transition to more productive private sector enterprise. Doable with the right incentives but not pleasant.

Better this gets done though than the next generation pick up the tab. Of course if we get Socialist Spendthrift Mk 2 at some point the cycle repeats again, so what can you do?

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Oooops - another cock-up, where an MP tweets postal voting numbers (which is against Electoral Law)

Probably get brushed off and ignored. Hope I'm wrong though.

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Good to see that Nate Silver of the excellent FiveThirtyEight election projection website is paying our election some attention. Good grief the alliteration there was awesome.

Worth paying attention to this guy, his projections tend to be the best you'll find anywhere - he got the US Presidential election near as damnit spot on.

It's enough to make you weep, that idiots like the candidate for Bristol East want to be politicians.... I'd rather have a rabid badger running the country, than the anally retarded political classes we have now....

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Good to see that Nate Silver of the excellent FiveThirtyEight election projection website is paying our election some attention. Good grief the alliteration there was awesome.

Worth paying attention to this guy, his projections tend to be the best you'll find anywhere - he got the US Presidential election near as damnit spot on.

He's worth keeping an eye on if only for the fact that he's actually trying to model his way past the bizarre and nonsensical 'uniform swing' projections that are still the obsession of every major national news outlet in the UK, even though they have been discredited time and time again.

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Originally Posted by slowcoach

This is the best reason I have heard for voting Tory LINK

This could cause quite a quandary for all the die-hard Tory voters seeing as the vote is, in essence, like getting the Black Spot, according to the BOE.

Hi Slowcoach What's it like to have your fave party headed up by an inept pillock?

[punky]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Oooops - another cock-up, where an MP tweets postal voting numbers (which is against Electoral Law)

I'd have thought re-posting the actual figures was a bit dodgy myself.

Anyway, those figures don't sound right. Sure its small sample, but how can Labour have nearly 10x everyone else's - especially as its no exactly Labour heartland.

If posting the actual figures is illegal, posting fake results masquerading as genuine figures must be worse.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Chris

He's worth keeping an eye on if only for the fact that he's actually trying to model his way past the bizarre and nonsensical 'uniform swing' projections that are still the obsession of every major national news outlet in the UK, even though they have been discredited time and time again.

Don't want to force people to think by making it complicated now do we?

[nomadking]

Seems it is.

Her tweet was picked up and forwarded by Charlie Whelan, the union Unite's communications boss and many others. She has warned that those who passed it on may also be in breach of the law.

IMO One big problem with postal votes is that any electoral campaign is partially over once the voters(or the people who actually fill out the form) receive the form. Eg the events of yesterday would have had no possible effect on those votes. This means that the legally required gap between calling an election and it taking place, is meaningless.

Originally Posted by punky

I'd have thought re-posting the actual figures was a bit dodgy myself.

Anyway, those figures don't sound right. Sure its small sample, but how can Labour have nearly 10x everyone else's - especially as its no exactly Labour heartland.

If posting the actual figures is illegal, posting fake results masquerading as genuine figures must be worse.

Not only that but how would an MP get access to the votes?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not only that but how would an MP get access to the votes?

Per http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=9...&id=b507f75bf3

While agents are always present for the opening of postal votes, it is strictly illegal for them to convey the information to anyone and illegal for it to be published in print.

[nomadking]

Party agents are allowed to verify the opening of postal ballots but it is against the law to disseminate the information gleaned before all voting closes - at 10pm on Thursday May 6.

Aghhh why are idiots allowed to live?

Would someone at this debate ask all the parties if they will be willing to give up all of their expense claims to help the economy recover, rather than cut back on services?

I didn't know they were claiming Billions in expenses!

Originally Posted by punky

I'd have thought re-posting the actual figures was a bit dodgy myself.

Anyway, those figures don't sound right. Sure its small sample, but how can Labour have nearly 10x everyone else's - especially as its no exactly Labour heartland.

If posting the actual figures is illegal, posting fake results masquerading as genuine figures must be worse.

Good heads up, punky - could an admin please anonymise the numbers, please.