Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing - Page 7

SOSAGES · 25-07-2008, 11:42

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Then simply wait for them to come out on free TV.....as it's still no justification for downloading.

BUT then again the BPI aren't curently going after downloaders but the actual file sharers... (I know in P2P the downloader becomes a file sharer but again that's no justification)

Kymmy

fyi: i am not justifying stealing anything
its just simple you cant stop it

in 10 years time this will all be forgotten as we move to a large scale media on demand network over the internet no one will have any hard copies anymore.

Kymmy · 25-07-2008, 12:06

In reality they can stop it as the technology is there and is being used by the goverment, but it would mean the ISP's inspecting your data and using this to determined any illegal downloads, even SSL won't get past DPI as only the content in encrypted and not the location/address...

But as our legal framework stands no ISP is allowed to do that though if the BPI do make a stand any legal victory by them will take the ISP's a step closer

Kymmy

**Damien** · 25-07-2008, 13:48

If I have got this right this is actually quite a fair deal, all they are doing is sending letters to suspected file-sharers and agreeing to a set of meetings to work out what to do with heavy uploaders.

No mention of the 3-strike deal or anything like that.

Kymmy · 25-07-2008, 13:56

Correct, but you know the BPI, give them an inch and they'll expect the whole mile

Kymmy

**Hugh** · 25-07-2008, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Correct, but you know the BPI, give them an inch and they'll expect the whole mile

Kymmy

What, like illegal downloaders?

<only joking>

Kymmy · 25-07-2008, 16:48

It's like any organisation that's losing PROFIT through a 3rd party activity... The BPI won't be appeased by the named ISP's sending out these letters, they'll then push for stricter guidelines and especially details of people that they can prosecute. Where in the end do they stop? Surely after P2P is cleaned up then they'll approach usenet providers for details of the posters IPs????

I know such thoughts go against privacy laws but when has privacy laws ever dominated over legal wrongdoers

Kymmy

Impz2002 · 25-07-2008, 16:57

The government are foolish if they beleive this will stop any of the more knowlegeable downloaders. Whatever technology they develop will soon be out-smarted by the clever peeps on the net. I will continue to download torrent legal or otherwise. Where there is a will there is a way and this latest wheeze from the suits high up in the governent or the anti-piracy brigade wont have a noticeable difference. It may scare your average joe into stopping but it certainly dosnt wash with me.

Sorry if my views are not to your liking but thats the way it is

Impz

Kymmy · 25-07-2008, 17:02

The goverment aren't involved with the BPI/ISP collaberation, in fact the goverments privacy laws are probably the only thing stopping them.

SOSAGES · 25-07-2008, 17:03

indeed they cant stop it
all they can stop are the fools that probably think limewire and bearshare are the best things on the web..

Impz2002 · 25-07-2008, 17:07

Limeware is an obvious example of what not to use. Newsgroups with SSL is the obvious choice for the smarter people !

Impz

ryuzaki · 25-07-2008, 17:10

Well, if they get silly about it I'll just get retentions to knock another few quid off to cover an Relakks account.

Honestly, haven't they ever heard of King Canute?

Kymmy · 25-07-2008, 17:14

I don't think anyone on here even thinks that the letters will stop anything (apart from the oik on his parents internet connection), but if there's no reaction to the letters then surely the BPI will look at other tougher methods....

It's like the speed limit on motorways, early on there wasn't one but because some idiots were doing rediculous speeds compared with the flow of traffic we all have to now plod along at 70...

I'd personally be happy if VM blocked the P2P ports, but that would push everyone into other methods...

Worrying thing is where does all this end as to make the BPI happy internet access in the UK would have drastic changes

Fatec · 25-07-2008, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

I'd personally be happy if VM blocked the P2P ports, but that would push everyone into other methods...

Blocking ports which plenty of legal services use would not go down well...

Kymmy · 25-07-2008, 17:45

I didn't say everyone would be happy

ryuzaki · 25-07-2008, 18:22

[QUOTE=Kymmy;34608381It's like the speed limit on motorways, early on there wasn't one but because some idiots were doing rediculous speeds compared with the flow of traffic we all have to now plod along at 70...[/QUOTE]

At the risk of extending an analogy too far...

When motorways first appeared, the average family car had a top speed of 50mph and certainly could not sustain that for long. Later faster cars came along and average speeds rose a lot. The roads could not cope with people doing those speeds for a variety of reasons (unlike the German autobhans which were designed for it) so speed limits were introduced.

Similarly, the internet started out with dial-up and because it was 1p/min or more you kept your usage down. Later unlimited dial-up came along and a lot of ISPs were stuffed because they hadn't built their infrastructure to support it. In came the automatic disconnects and 2 hour limits etc. Then came broadband, again slow at first but eventually ramping up a bit. Once more the infrastructure creeks and the limits come in again.

Another interesting parallel is that something which was effectively legal is now attempting to be made a civil offence. Where once private copying was tolerated, now the BPI wants to threaten you for doing it, if not actually wanting to sue you.