Relationships and religion

[Salu]

Christianity isn't a convincing arguement. It's a faith. It's about trying to follow God's will for your life, loving others and telling them about Jesus' love for YOU.

Nothing I can say will convince you sceptics. You have to listen to the small voice in your heart, hear your conscience and weigh the evidence from the bible.

My role is to point you in the right direction. Although I would hope you would look at me and see something of Jesus in me....I know that I am far from perfect and I get things wrong.

Try praying to God and ask Him to show you what he wants from YOUR life....

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Salu

You have to listen to the small voice in your heart, hear your conscience and weigh the evidence from the bible.

I wouldn't say they HAVE to...they could CHOOSE to though

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Escapee

She has been missing Church a lot recently because some of the people in he church would dissaprove of her being involved with someone who is non religious.

this is some of the intolerance which i have mentioned in my previous quotes people lack it i know i have plenty of it if someone wants to be religious then please do anything as you please but dont preach to me is all i ask

Originally Posted by Russ D

And that's the way it should be - much kudos to you for saying that, but there are some on this site who ask question PURELY to try and shoot us down...you really have to pity such attitudes.

this is exactly what i am trying to do like bifta im asking questions(if needed) putting my experiance and view across im not trying to single anyone out as i will listen to anyone and quote anyone who i want to comment on there views

Originally Posted by Russ D

It was because up until 2000 years ago people still refused to believe and listen to God's word even thought he sent the miracles. He then sent His son as a last chance and it worked (mostly). From a certain point of view you may be correct in saying that the miracles stopped when Jesus left. However if someone is determined to stay with a scientific frame of mind then there's little we can say or do that will make them see different.

if god sent me a sign i would sit up and take notice i would start a thread and absolutely tell everyone that i am sorry etc

as of yet i have had no sign no nothing so if he wanted me to believe he would send me a sign

Originally Posted by Russ D

I'm sorry Kronas but I'm not letting you get away with that.

You tell us not to talk about religion to you when it is you who often start threads about aspects of religion that you disagree about (one example out of many is the one about Bush and his beliefs). Double standards, hypocrisy, all the things us Christians are supposed to display? I'm sorry Kronas but that's you in this case.

no you dont understand im happy to discuss it but its the preaching side of what the people i met were trying to do towards me

as for bush i have pointed how he is influenced by religion in previous threads trying to stop people from having sex abstaining ?

Originally Posted by Russ D

And we "don't tolerate a different view". Oh really, so I assume that's aimed at myself, Towny, Bexy, Salu and other Christians on this board? You know, those who constantly tolerate attacks from certain (not all I hasten to add) people who are full of opinions but little or no knowledge of the Bible, prefering to listen to what "that bloke down the pub" says is written in it?

no i didnt mean everyone but in my experiance i have found it to be the case

my knowledge of the bible is not from the 'man at the pub' as you put its what i have learned watching programs, in school on here even

Originally Posted by Russ D

Seems like sweeping statements and generalisations are okay as long as they're aimed at us "Bible-bashers"

again russ you are running on assumptions i just highlighted something which i came across and felt i needed to comment on



who ever gave me a negative rep point does not fully understand where i am coming from is it that hard to understand ???????

[Russ]

no i didnt mean everyone but in my experiance i have found it to be the case

Well please make sure your wording reflects this.

as of yet i have had no sign no nothing so if he wanted me to believe he would send me a sign

And as I've been saying, He wants you to believe of your own free choice, NOT because He 'persuades' you by showing a miracle.

who ever gave me a negative rep point does not fully understand where i am coming from is it that hard to understand ??????

Oh don't take it personally, certain non-believers have been giving certain Christians on here bad rep points just for their beliefs - how childish can you get?

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Well please make sure your wording reflects this.

my wording is clear some of what i stated as i pointed out was from the recent experiance that i had with religious people

Originally Posted by Russ D

And as I've been saying, He wants you to believe of your own free choice, NOT because He 'persuades' you by showing a miracle.

yes i did read that but i ask yet i dont get im open to believeing if i felt there was some truth in it

Originally Posted by Russ D

Oh don't take it personally, certain non-believers have been giving certain Christians on here bad rep points just for their beliefs - how childish can you get?

i have rarely handed out negative rep points i may not agree with you russ but giving out a negative point just because someone disagree's with you or has a diffarent view is just plain stupid

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kronas

i have rarely handed out negative rep points i may not agree with you russ but giving out a negative point just because someone disagree's with you or has a diffarent view is just plain stupid

See? Even Kronas agrees it's a pretty low thing to do - still, some people enjoy being intolerant....

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by bexy

escapee...im glad to hear your relationship is going well, and i think i read that your gf isnt going to church as much because she is getting bad comments for dating a non-christian....this is a problem i have with some churches, they should be embracing her and helping her, not pushing her away

Thanks bexy, I try to encourage her to go along but she says she feels a bit of a hypocryt.

To use her words worshipper on a sunday and whore on a monday.

Originally Posted by Bifta

Oh for god's sake, just answer the question directly or don't bother, you know what I'm talking about ... in 2000 odd years we've had nothing that's compared to some of the events relayed in the bible, why?

I will always answer questions the way I think they're best answered. If you're implying that I'm avoiding answering you, then I think you ought to go and look up my previous postings on this subject (and just about any other). I am not known on this forum for holding back on what I believe, and in defending what I believe. If my answers annoy you so much, don't ask me.

So, what miracles are you talking about that could not possibly have any scientific explanation? I have heard people on TV and radio gamely trying to explain away everything from the destruction of Sodom to the parting of the Red Sea (apparently a tidal wave caused by a massive volcanic eruption, according to one recent theory). A lot of God's work in the Old Testament leads to nations rising and falling, things which still go on today. Perhaps all we are missing now is hearing God's perception of world events.

Essentially, you are saying you see no evidence of huge miracles, I am saying just because you aren't aware of them doesn't mean they don't happen.

Originally Posted by Bifta

I'm sure God would prefer people to worship him than not believe him in so why not just send one almight miracle, get everyone on his side and everyone can live happily ever after?

How about raising someone from the dead after they'd been in a grave for more than 24 hours?

[Bex]

Originally Posted by Escapee

Thanks bexy, I try to encourage her to go along but she says she feels a bit of a hypocryt.

To use her words worshipper on a sunday and whore on a monday.

not a problem hun.......

does she feel like that? or i she made to feel like that?

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by towny

I will always answer questions the way I think they're best answered. If you're implying that I'm avoiding answering you, then I think you ought to go and look up my previous postings on this subject (and just about any other). I am not known on this forum for holding back on what I believe, and in defending what I believe. If my answers annoy you so much, don't ask me.

So, what miracles are you talking about that could not possibly have any scientific explanation? I have heard people on TV and radio gamely trying to explain away everything from the destruction of Sodom to the parting of the Red Sea (apparently a tidal wave caused by a massive volcanic eruption, according to one recent theory). A lot of God's work in the Old Testament leads to nations rising and falling, things which still go on today. Perhaps all we are missing now is hearing God's perception of world events.

Essentially, you are saying you see no evidence of huge miracles, I am saying just because you aren't aware of them doesn't mean they don't happen.


How about raising someone from the dead after they'd been in a grave for more than 24 hours?

My views are probably a bit strange when it comes to the bible!

I think IMHO that many of the stories were like a message going around the room that gets added to ie: John won £10 on the lottery and by the time it goes all the way around, John Won £10000 on the lottery.

I know I will probably get flamed for that comment, but perhaps Jesus did exist and was a very clever guy in those days (perhaps time travel) and he did some very clever things that got blown out of all proportion.
I think the big issue for a non-believer like myself is that I am a rational person who will not accept anything on face value until I can prove it.

believers say they can prove it to themselves, and often that makes them look like they are making excuses. I think we must all realise that no-on is ever going to convert someone like me because it would take a real big event to convince me about such matters. I am sorry to say that I only deal in facts and that statement should not mean believers should flame me or treat me any different in my opinion.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by bexy

not a problem hun.......

does she feel like that? or i she made to feel like that?

First can I say sorry to Towny for my post above, I added my comments in the middle of his and now it looks like he said it! they will have you banned from church for those comments Towny.

I couldn't edit the post.


bexy, she feels that people in church will think of her that way.

she has allready had a bit of flak from one member in church who found out she had a boyfriend, the first question was "is he White?" and then "is he a christian and does he go to church" I make a lighthearted joke about it and ask if they have warned her about me being the white devil.

The real hypocrytical bit is the guy who asked if I was white, he is blsck and only goes out with white women that he picks up. he doesn't pick them up from church either.

[Bex]

Originally Posted by Escapee

<snippity snip>bexy, she feels that people in church will think of her that way.

she has allready had a bit of flak from one member in church who found out she had a boyfriend, the first question was "is he White?" and then "is he a christian and does he go to church" I make a lighthearted joke about it and ask if they have warned her about me being the white devil.

The real hypocrytical bit is the guy who asked if I was white, he is blsck and only goes out with white women that he picks up. he doesn't pick them up from church either.

well it is a sad case when anyone judges anyone else in this way....

i think it is disgraceful to ask whether someone is suitable based on either their skin colour or their religion.....

unfortunately some christians do have a tendency to be holier than thou, especially when it comes to preaching at people about how they should live their life, but rest assured hun, we aren't all like that.....

as i said beforehand i have dated both non-christian and christian........and i have had people at church judge me, and it hurt, however i realised that they were the ones with the problem and not me....its the old sort out the plank in your eye before sorting out the speck in someone elses.....(or some such thought)

Fixed your post Escapee. If its not right PM me.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Dr. Plummer

Fixed your post Escapee. If its not right PM me.

Thanks thats fine, I must of really made a mess because I didnt even have an edit button to put it right.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Escapee

My views are probably a bit strange when it comes to the bible!

I think IMHO that many of the stories were like a message going around the room that gets added to ie: John won £10 on the lottery and by the time it goes all the way around, John Won £10000 on the lottery.

I know I will probably get flamed for that comment, but perhaps Jesus did exist and was a very clever guy in those days (perhaps time travel) and he did some very clever things that got blown out of all proportion.
I think the big issue for a non-believer like myself is that I am a rational person who will not accept anything on face value until I can prove it.

believers say they can prove it to themselves, and often that makes them look like they are making excuses. I think we must all realise that no-on is ever going to convert someone like me because it would take a real big event to convince me about such matters. I am sorry to say that I only deal in facts and that statement should not mean believers should flame me or treat me any different in my opinion.

Fair comment but would you be willing to die for what you'd seen such as the apostles did? They saw what they saw and heard what they heard, as opposed to chinese whispers. I'll tell you if I was going to be tortured of killed for what I believe I'd had to be pretty certain of what I had in my mind!