CableForum & NTL to meet

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Mick

Too many ill feelings I think, in this thread, for a chance for this to work I think we need to be a little bit more positive rather than more negative. If we keep looking at the past rather than going forwards, there is a risk we get left behind.

I know people are more reserved with their judgement and have a right to be because of the past but If yesterday, before the meeting, if I didn't think anything was gonna come of the meeting, I would not of bothered attending. Let's move forward not backwards, this thread is on the verge of turning sour and I do not want to think I and Simon wasted our time yesterday because of a situation of 'here we go again'.

[Stuart]

Well, I think it's a good thing.

Simon Duffy appears to want NTL to be more open about how they do business, and maybe this site can be a part (hopefully important) of that.


I am not knocking the guys and gals from NTL who do post here, but I do think it would be better if NTL work with the site in an official way.

Gee - so many people stuck in the past, you are hung up on events from 2+ years ago. Open you eyes boys and girls - getting the personal ear of the head cheese is a massive step forward - and we intend to look on this as a positive move and take as far forward as we can.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Gee - so many people stuck in the past, you are hung up on events from 2+ years ago. Open you eyes boys and girls - getting the personal ear of the head cheese is a massive step forward - and we intend to look on this as a positive move and take as far forward as we can.

Open your eyes to the fact that some people have been there, & done that.

Originally Posted by Neil

Open your eyes to the fact that some people have been there, & done that.

That would be opening your eyes and looking at the past Neil, like I said we should be thinking forwards, not backwards all the time.

[Russ]

Here we have a divided issue - some have already tried (and failed) on numerous occasions to deal with NTL so when they appear to be listening it is very easy to be sceptical. I'm all for going forward - if nothing comes of this it'll only look worse for them.

Originally Posted by Neil

Open your eyes to the fact that some people have been there, & done that.

to be fair, as Paul says, that was over two years ago.

I can understand a 'once bitten twice shy', approach, especially in your case, Neil, as you experienced so much of the BS at first hand.

- however, personally, I applaud the positive approach by Mick & Nemesis & hope their enthusiasm is rewarded.

- if not you will, at least, be able to say 'told you'

Originally Posted by Neil

Open your eyes to the fact that some people have been there, & done that.

Thank you for making my point for me.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Here we have a divided issue - some have already tried (and failed) on numerous occasions to deal with NTL

I/we didn't fail to deal with ntl, quite the opposite in fact.

It was ntl that killed all communication by lying about using NTHW.com for the benefit of their customers, & then closing it down.

Originally Posted by Russ D

so when they appear to be listening it is very easy to be sceptical. I'm all for going forward - if nothing comes of this it'll only look worse for them.

It's never stopped them before Russ, they don't really care how they 'look' IMHO, there are enough BB punters signing up daily for them (in their view) not to have to worry.

Originally Posted by Neil

I/we didn't fail to deal with ntl, quite the opposite in fact.

It was ntl that killed all communication by lying about using NTHW.com for the benefit of their customers, & then closing it down.



It's never stopped them before Russ, they don't really care how they 'look' IMHO, there are enough BB punters signing up daily for them (in their view) not to have to worry.

If they are clearly not worried as you are suggesting Neil, then why bother to to travel to Manchester to meet me and speak to Simon, (remember they originally wanted me and Simon to go to Hook first) and ask CF to attend a meeting esp with ntl's CEO present, to ask what CF is about and ask us for our opinions and specific issues on customer services etc etc?

If they are not worried as you suggest why bother to even consider meeting CF?

[scrotnig]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Neil.

I am pretty confident nothing will ever come of it, the attitude at the top hasn't changed despite the apparent change of leadership.

That's not to say it was pointless going to the meeting though.

It'll be interesting to see if I am proved wrong, but try as I might I really, really cannot see it. Sorry.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Neil

I/we didn't fail to deal with ntl, quite the opposite in fact.

It was ntl that killed all communication by lying about using NTHW.com for the benefit of their customers, & then closing it down.

You're right - what I meant to say was there have been enough instances in the past where you, others and myself have been sure we're about to make a breakthrough as enough 'bigwigs' seem to take an interest only for the whole thing to be dropped by ntl.

The simple fact is that time will, as always, tell. One thing is sure, if we approach it with the negative attitude shown by some, then it will fail.

[Robert Atkins]

If Tim Ryan had stayed and had developed a powerbase within NTL, then the whole thing would have gone the other way. Tim Ryan lost the powergame and left. After Tim left, it was a face saving exersize for NTL. There was also a power stuggle within NTL and Frank (and .com) was caught in the middle of this. NTL wanted to get rid of .com , so they invented the "community" idea to replace .com but it never materialised...

I agree with Mick et al, give a chance to Simon D, he might do something different... At least he does not sound that daft as Bill "too tech" Goodland

Mick: no minidisk recording of the meeting?

[Jonathan David]

We talked about Moneypenny, but does anyone know what happened to Sam B?