General : Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

Thank you for the link, your mistaken if you think I thought you made it up, what I am putting to you is that you are interpreting this story as fact without any firm basis of confirmation from either party involved and then taking this interpretation into other hypothesis of other collaboration involvement that could lead to agreement to acquire other channels. I'm afraid that is very flawed thinking.

As I put it to you before they (sky) have demonstrated the ability to go it alone on exclusives and where a deal is required they are tying into providers such as HBO and ITV, in fact you could argue sky Atlantic was created because of the tie in with HBO.

If sky bravo was to be a rival to itv4 do you think itv would of agree a tie-in?

Now that they have other avenues to market such as IPTV sky does not need virgin as the sad fact us the 3 million or so customers (yes I am guessing the numbers don't hold me to it) is not of great interest when they can go straight to the consumer; via conventional satellite or now through IPTV which I believe is the future.

I do feel that sky bravo, if it were at all exist in any shape of form will not be seen for many many years to come , now if we started a hypothesis that sky wish for VM to take on sky Vegas and sky poker as this would create additional revenue for sky and in turn provide additional funds for VM to acquire sky Atlantic at least it's a hypothesis between channels that exist. I leave that for everyone else to decide

Interesting view, but may I remind you that I am not presenting anything as 'fact'. I am commenting on the news story about Sky Bravo and speculating from there. I am not doing anything anyone else doesn't do on here on a regular basis and I certainly don't post about 'insiders' and 'Virgin Media viewers'. If for some reason you think those posts are more credible than media reports, I suppose you are entitled to your view.

Once again, I have to point out that nothing is certain until the players concerned both confirm it and so virtually the whole of the 'Coming Soon' thread is speculation to a large extent. That is a given, and if we all had to keep repeating ourselves to make that clear, this thread would get a bit tedious, don't you think?

I think the point you have made about ITV not agreeing a link in if Sky Bravo was launched is in itself flawed thinking and not backed up by facts. I accept it is your view, however, and I believe you will be proved wrong, but we'll see.

[Anypermitedroute]

fair enough old boy,i think we will have to agree to disagree on this and for the sake of sanity agree to move on, we both have strong differentiating view that we will not be able to persuade the other otherwise



but sky Poker is coming

[solitaire]

Originally Posted by Bananaman_007

It has to be some kind of PPV service, HBO content is also on the Google Play store so i could quite easily see a TIVO app. Episodes are £1.89 each on google play. I wonder if they will do something like £10 free credit when you sign up to get people interested and use to using the service

If HBO content were to be made available on VM, I would much prefer it be made an extra subscription (say £5 a month) rather than it be made a PPV model. I know some people will argue the PPV case, but I would rather be able to access all the available content. Each to his own of course.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by solitaire

If HBO content were to be made available on VM, I would much prefer it be made an extra subscription (say £5 a month) rather than it be made a PPV model. I know some people will argue the PPV case, but I would rather be able to access all the available content. Each to his own of course.

Yes l quite agree as the PPV model would be much more expensive wherever if it was available for such and such a month l think there would be many more takers.

Originally Posted by solitaire

If HBO content were to be made available on VM, I would much prefer it be made an extra subscription (say £5 a month) rather than it be made a PPV model. I know some people will argue the PPV case, but I would rather be able to access all the available content. Each to his own of course.

I don't think you'll find that many people will argue the PPV case. But if we get any HBO content, that's how we're most likely to get it.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by JustaBloke

I don't think you'll find that many people will argue the PPV case. But if we get any HBO content, that's how we're most likely to get it.

With their restrictive practices of making HBO content available in the UK, HBO deserve all the illegal downloading they get (and I pay for the HBO content I watch).

When will these companies learn; make content available through several outlets and most people will gladly pay.

PPV just isn't economically practical for TV shows with many seasons and episodes.

I stand to be corrected, but as I understand it, HBO content is available as a premium subscription on most cable and satellite services in the US. Why haven't HBO adopted the same delivery method in the UK? Probably greed.

Probably because Sky paid them through the nose for exclusivity. HBO don't care where the money comes from so long as it comes. And it has come from Sky.

They know their shows are subject to much downloading but (while they would never admit it) I reckon they don't care because they think the Sky deal, and a few DVD sales, are making them as much money as they could reasonably hope to wring out of the UK market.

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by Bananaman_007

It has to be some kind of PPV service, HBO content is also on the Google Play store so i could quite easily see a TIVO app. Episodes are £1.89 each on google play. I wonder if they will do something like £10 free credit when you sign up to get people interested and use to using the service

I have still to see where Sky have exclusive On demand rights.

In addition to linear broadcast, the output deal supports a broad range of multiplatform rights, ensuring HBO content will continue to be available live and on demand not just on TV, but online and on mobile through Sky Go. Sky Atlantic is also available live and on demand through NOW TV, Sky's new internet TV service.


The output deal simply states that HBO content will continue to be supported for the other Sky platforms (NOW TV and Sky Go) in terms of both live and on-demand content.

They do not state on-demand HBO content is exclusive. SA live content is clearly exclusive, but I will happily wait for anyone to correct me and say where on-demand content is exclusive too. The whole statement is really rather ambiguous in my (very uneducated) eyes.

In my (very uneducated) eyes, HBO could easily launch their own paid for on-demand service, and stop massive amounts of piracy whilst still keeping Sky customers happy with the same content free of charge.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Interesting view, but may I remind you that I am not presenting anything as 'fact'. I am commenting on the news story about Sky Bravo and speculating from there. I am not doing anything anyone else doesn't do on here on a regular basis and I certainly don't post about 'insiders' and 'Virgin Media viewers'. If for some reason you think those posts are more credible than media reports, I suppose you are entitled to your view.

Once again, I have to point out that nothing is certain until the players concerned both confirm it and so virtually the whole of the 'Coming Soon' thread is speculation to a large extent. That is a given, and if we all had to keep repeating ourselves to make that clear, this thread would get a bit tedious, don't you think?

I think the point you have made about ITV not agreeing a link in if Sky Bravo was launched is in itself flawed thinking and not backed up by facts. I accept it is your view, however, and I believe you will be proved wrong, but we'll see.

Why do you feel random and infrequent press reports are more believable than "insiders" giving out information?

Surely the media information you hold in such high regard comes from "insiders" too? I have yet to see an official statement in any form of press release from Sky or VM saying they are in talks over future channel releases.

I would also doubt greatly that the press are allowed in negotiation meetings between the two, further highlighting the fact any media reports come from "insiders" and thusly making media reports less reliable still.

Even Media Boy is no longer posting anything from "VM viewers" due to the lack of evidence given from said viewers. Why you have used this point is beyond me.

You seem quite happy to make a rod for your back on this subject, and I simply can not understand why.

Still good luck with it all.

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

Why do you feel random and infrequent press reports are more believable than "insiders" giving out information?

Surely the media information you hold in such high regard comes from "insiders" too? I have yet to see an official statement in any form of press release from Sky or VM saying they are in talks over future channel releases.

I would also doubt greatly that the press are allowed in negotiation meetings between the two, further highlighting the fact any media reports come from "insiders" and thusly making media reports less reliable still.

Even Media Boy is no longer posting anything from "VM viewers" due to the lack of evidence given from said viewers. Why you have used this point is beyond me.

You seem quite happy to make a rod for your back on this subject, and I simply can not understand why.

Still good luck with it all.

To be honest Harry. I don't think he cares at all. I only got involved again a few days ago, because he was getting rounded on by others. Not to save him of course, but to try to advise him on how to rebuild his reputation.

But all you get is 'You're a troll' blah blah.

He's not correcting his behaviour no matter how many people criticise him. Make of that what you will.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

I have still to see where Sky have exclusive On demand rights.

In addition to linear broadcast, the output deal supports a broad range of multiplatform rights, ensuring HBO content will continue to be available live and on demand not just on TV, but online and on mobile through Sky Go. Sky Atlantic is also available live and on demand through NOW TV, Sky's new internet TV service.


The output deal simply states that HBO content will continue to be supported for the other Sky platforms (NOW TV and Sky Go) in terms of both live and on-demand content.

They do not state on-demand HBO content is exclusive. SA live content is clearly exclusive, but I will happily wait for anyone to correct me and say where on-demand content is exclusive too. The whole statement is really rather ambiguous in my (very uneducated) eyes.

In my (very uneducated) eyes, HBO could easily launch their own paid for on-demand service, and stop massive amounts of piracy whilst still keeping Sky customers happy

It would be a good idea for HBO shows to be made available for whoever wants them and negate the need to subscribe to Sky Atlantic to do so. I don't suppose Sky would be happy, but who cares about them

I wonder how many VM viewers would use an app to obtain HBO shows or SA via a TiVo app?

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It would be a good idea for HBO shows to be made available for whoever wants them and negate the need to subscribe to Sky Atlantic to do so. I don't suppose Sky would be happy, but who cares about them

I wonder how many VM viewers would use an app to obtain HBO shows or SA via a TiVo app?

Rightly so considering this 5 year extension is rumoured to be costing them £275 million which is considerably more than the £150 million they paid originally in 2010 , can you really see them paying that kind of money if others were free to launch On Demand services , I severely doubt it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Rightly so considering this 5 year extension is rumoured to be costing them £275 million which is considerably more than the £150 million they paid originally in 2010 , can you really see them paying that kind of money if others were free to launch On Demand services , I severely doubt it.

And that's Sky over MM as they bid way over the odds for content in order to keep it exclusive when there should be a rule that allows others to view that content in the same country at a reasonable and fair price.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by denphone

And that's Sky over MM as they bid way over the odds for content in order to keep it exclusive when there should be a rule that allows others to view that content in the same country at a reasonable and fair price.

I'm not even going there , the exclusive discussion has been done to death on this forum whether we like it or not exclusive is here to stay , HBO content on Sky Atlantic in the UK , TIVO on VM in the UK , House of Cards on Netflix just a few examples of exclusiveness.

[denphone]

l am not just having a go at Sky MM as others do it as well but its high time something was done about company's keeping it exclusive for themselves and then with-holding the content so that unless you subscribe to their service's you cannot see it.

Originally Posted by denphone

l am not just having a go at Sky MM as others do it as well but its high time something was done about company's keeping it exclusive for themselves and then with-holding the content so that unless you subscribe to their service's you cannot see it.

You're being fair minded in seeing that others do it too. so you must see that if something 'was done' about that, then VM would be made to wholesale their 120Mb broadband so it could be bought for the same price from Sky and TiVo would be available from them too.

Taking that idea a bit further. They'd then all be the same. No competition, no need to compete, no possibility of differentiation. Pretty soon they'd sit around a table together (unofficially, of course) and fix prices. A bit like the energy market.

Only a possible vision, I agree, but Sky are only doing what they would be expected to do in the market as it is. We could legislate to change the market, but the poor customer would suffer as a result. Personally I'd prefer to miss Game of Thrones myself.